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DegenGambler 01-23-2007 08:03 PM

Has anyone gotten paid since Wednesday?
 
Just curious, but has anyone gotten a check or a deposit into their bank account from Neteller or any poker site since black Wednesday? I of course only mean withdrawals made after Wednesday, but it may include withdrawals in the immediately preceeding days as well.

Nookx 01-23-2007 08:22 PM

Re: Has anyone gotten paid since Wednesday?
 
I withdrew some money on 1/17 and it is still pending according to my neteller account, and my bank hasn't received any funds.

kioshk 01-23-2007 08:22 PM

Re: Has anyone gotten paid since Wednesday?
 
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Just curious, but has anyone gotten a check or a deposit into their bank account from Neteller or any poker site since black Wednesday? I of course only mean withdrawals made after Wednesday, but it may include withdrawals in the immediately preceeding days as well.

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Black Wednesday! No Benjamins for me yet. Fight the power! (raised fist)

ongo30 01-23-2007 08:35 PM

Re: Has anyone gotten paid since Wednesday?
 
I have gotten paid from bodog right away. Absolute poker has worried me a bit though. The only way they say I was able to get paid was via regular mail check. They said it will take 17 business days. I was wondering why they got rid of their priority check feature, and they didn't have an answer. They answered on the 4th call(previous 3 were over 30 min on hold then disconnect). Has anyone dealt with Absolute poker on payouts. Absolute states that everyones money is held in an insured account or something, but I know nothing is guaranteed. Does anyone know if a site owned by Canadian Indians has any obligation to pay you your money??

DegenGambler 01-23-2007 08:39 PM

Re: Has anyone gotten paid since Wednesday?
 
Sure, of course they have an obligation to pay you money. But that doesn't mean the debt is practically collectible.

spoonitnow 01-23-2007 08:42 PM

Re: Has anyone gotten paid since Wednesday?
 
I've also been paid since Wednesday on Bodog, via Click2Pay. Used the debit card, and got my cash on Friday.

DegenGambler 01-23-2007 08:51 PM

Re: Has anyone gotten paid since Wednesday?
 
Btw, I didn't mean to give a smart ass answer, but that is the likely result here. You are owed money under the terms of the agreement that you entered into by virtue of creating an account with these poker sites. However, in order to collect on this, as well as any other debt, you would have to sue the company. Practically speaking, there is no way this is going to happen unless you have a very, very large amount of money tied up in the account. It's just not financially feasible to sue on anything less than several thousand dollars. And even if you do sue, the likelihood of getting one of these defendant companies to appear in court and then pay the judgment against them (assuming you win) is pretty much non-existant. So they probably have an obligation to pay you, but it's just hard to collect.

There is another argument floating out there that doesn't make a whole lot of sense given the legal precedent. One (if this one was a poker site) may argue that because the substance of the underlying transaction is illegal (i.e. internet gambling), then any contract entered into with that illegality as the subject matter is void. Contracts that require illegal action are not real contracts, kind of like how you cannot sue a hitman for failing to follow through on a hit. However, US courts when given the chance have NOT found internet poker to be illegal, but have not made express findings (to the best of my knowledge) that say that internet gambling is legal. I can get into more of the facts about the cases that I've read on the subject, but that's just a word or 400 on the topic to start with.

ongo30 01-23-2007 09:24 PM

Re: Has anyone gotten paid since Wednesday?
 
thanks for the response, my main concern was why Absolute got rid of their $25 expedited check option, and why their only method of payment is a 17 business day regular check option? Sounds pretty shady. I really hope that check arrives because it is a large portion of my bankroll. I really don't think a company like Absolute would roll over right now, but I'm suspicious

Darque Nuts 01-23-2007 09:38 PM

Re: Has anyone gotten paid since Wednesday?
 
DG, I also made a withdrawal request last Thursday and it was approved at that time. BUT, tonight it was changed to a pending status. I called up Neteller and they said that due to the tremendous volume of requests, I will not receive the check for 4-6 WEEKS (GULP). Usually I get it in less than a week. Feds got them/us by the Nuts (L - ouch - O - ouch - L - ouch).

Zobags 01-23-2007 09:38 PM

Re: Has anyone gotten paid since Wednesday?
 
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There is another argument floating out there that doesn't make a whole lot of sense given the legal precedent. One (if this one was a poker site) may argue that because the substance of the underlying transaction is illegal (i.e. internet gambling), then any contract entered into with that illegality as the subject matter is void. Contracts that require illegal action are not real contracts, kind of like how you cannot sue a hitman for failing to follow through on a hit. However, US courts when given the chance have NOT found internet poker to be illegal, but have not made express findings (to the best of my knowledge) that say that internet gambling is legal. I can get into more of the facts about the cases that I've read on the subject, but that's just a word or 400 on the topic to start with.

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The doctrine of unclean hands would prevent any poker site from making that argument.

bugman68 01-23-2007 11:04 PM

Re: Has anyone gotten paid since Wednesday?
 
Two things about absolute. Number one: I cashed out from absolute thru click2pay after wednesday was paid within 8 hours. Number two: Pretty sure absolute discontinued fedex service quite a while back.

grizy 01-23-2007 11:11 PM

Re: Has anyone gotten paid since Wednesday?
 
Bodog paid me last week, I got check from Stars through Courier last week, Neteller... where I have most of my money... well... someone tell me what pending means exactly?

DegenGambler 01-23-2007 11:17 PM

Re: Has anyone gotten paid since Wednesday?
 
As far as I can tell, pending means you can't use da monies.

viciouspenguin 01-23-2007 11:42 PM

Re: Has anyone gotten paid since Wednesday?
 
my neteller cashout to my bank has been "accepted" for a week now, but the money hasnt shown up yet in my bank account. i know lots of people are in the same boat as me...... has anyone actually had the entire transaction go through yet?

DegenGambler 01-24-2007 12:03 AM

Re: Has anyone gotten paid since Wednesday?
 
Yeah I'm wondering about this myself. I'm now in "pending" mode with the rest of my neteller money. Who knows what's next....

amulet 01-24-2007 02:23 AM

Re: Has anyone gotten paid since Wednesday?
 
full tilt had money in my epassporte account within hours on my request twice since neteller pulled out.

jmxthievez 01-24-2007 05:30 AM

Re: Has anyone gotten paid since Wednesday?
 
Just got off the phone with a neteller official after waiting <censored> 1 1/2 hours for them. I attempted to cash out on 1/16, he said it will take 6 to 8 weeks, that's right WEEKS for the money to hit the account. Thats in [censored] march.

I am furious with neteller right now but what can you do.


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