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what do you think the monthly income is for a winning 2-5 NL live player if he is playing a solid 40 hours a week.

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$25 to $30 an hour ----

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That would be pretty standard. There are people that could do MUCH better with the right game though. And of course, the other 80-90% that loose consistently.

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This, actually, is a pretty good estimate, I think. And $25 an hour in Vegas won't get you all that far if that's all you're doing. If you average out around 40 hours per week, that's about 50K a year. Not bad, but in a place like Vegas, that can go really, really fast after expenses.

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$25 to $30 an hour ----

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This, actually, is a pretty good estimate, I think. And $25 an hour in Vegas won't get you all that far if that's all you're doing. If you average out around 40 hours per week, that's about 50K a year. Not bad, but in a place like Vegas, that can go really, really fast after expenses.

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I live in LV and I totally disagree with this. You can live quite comfortably on 50k a year. You won't be all Rocks and Rings with Antonio or anything, but you can get along fine while you grow your bankroll to play higher.

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$25 to $30 an hour ----

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This, actually, is a pretty good estimate, I think. And $25 an hour in Vegas won't get you all that far if that's all you're doing. If you average out around 40 hours per week, that's about 50K a year. Not bad, but in a place like Vegas, that can go really, really fast after expenses.

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I live in LV and I totally disagree with this. You can live quite comfortably on 50k a year. You won't be all Rocks and Rings with Antonio or anything, but you can get along fine while you grow your bankroll to play higher.

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I agree, 50K cash is right around a 75k/year job after uncle sam takes his cut. Good money for this limit/risk IMO.

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I agree, 50K cash is right around a 75k/year job after uncle sam takes his cut. Good money for this limit/risk IMO.

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But, of course, if it's your sole source of income you are surely reporting it and paying taxes on the 50k.

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$25 to $30 an hour ----

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This, actually, is a pretty good estimate, I think. And $25 an hour in Vegas won't get you all that far if that's all you're doing. If you average out around 40 hours per week, that's about 50K a year. Not bad, but in a place like Vegas, that can go really, really fast after expenses.

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vegas is very cheap compared to nyc/boston/socal. very. of course you can find more ways to spend money, but thats the same no matta where you lay your head.

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grind nl100 nl200 online until you are rolled for nl1k live.

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Just make sure you pay your taxes. Finding a roomate would be helpful, too.

That is all.

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First of all, "nl1k live" is a silly designation. Presumably it means "$1000 buyin NLHE" with 100 BBL buyins, except that B&M max buyins are all over the map, seeing as how it's not actually online and all. The way to designate a game with $5 SB and $10 BB is "$5-10 NLHE", and not keep us guessing what you mean.

Secondly, given the level of play in live vs. online, you could easily be a loser at online $1-2 and a winner at live $2-5. The winrates expressed in this thread probably wouldn't apply for a losing online $1-2 player, but it's still quite conceivable a good play would still see a dropoff that wouldn't be compensated by multitabling, especially since its a skill of its own.

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I agree, 50K cash is right around a 75k/year job after uncle sam takes his cut. Good money for this limit/risk IMO.

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Yeah... just like Richard Hatch.

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If you have good game selection, then I think you can do a lot better than 25-30/hr

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Yeah... just like Richard Hatch.

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whos Richard Hatch?

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I think it was the guy that won Survivor? The fat gay man?

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He won the first survivor. The entire country watched him win $1 million. He then got arrested and concicted of tax evasion when he tried to get away with not reporting it as income.

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Just curious of how many buy ins to keep for a roll on 5/10NL games live. Right now I am rolled for 3/6NL online with 40 buy ins. I dont play live poker at all, so would I be properly rolled for 5/10 live full time?

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Live poker doesn't have a standard buy-in. Some games have a max buy-in of less than 100 BBL, some have greater than 100 BBL, some are unlimited in buy-ins.

It doesn't make your question invalid; it just means that you're looking for the wrong unit of measurement.

In practice, it could well that you're not bankrolled to buy in for the max for a certain game, but you're still bankrolled to play it profitably. For example, I would feel comfortable playing a $2-5 $200 min. unlimited max. game with $4000 (20 buy-ins of $200), but there might be people with $1000 on the table.

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I can beat 100NL online for a nice win rate. What limit in your opinion could I beat in Vegas? Or a 2nd way to phrase it, what limit live plays like 100NL online (if any)?

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But, of course, if it's your sole source of income you are surely telling the government you are unemployed and faking mental illness and collecting welfare.

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FYP.

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I can beat 100NL online for a nice win rate. What limit in your opinion could I beat in Vegas? Or a 2nd way to phrase it, what limit live plays like 100NL online (if any)?

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2-5 or even 5-10. Live games are amazingly looser. A lot (maybe most) of the 2-5 games have 5-6 people seeing the flop. People don't go to casinos to fold.

You have to have the bankroll for it, though. For me, that's 20 100xbb buy-ins: $10,000 for 2-5 or $20,000 for 5-10.

I've beaten the LV 2-5 games for $37/hour over the last 510 hours and for $55/hour over the last 231 hours.

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I've beaten the LV 2-5 games for $37/hour over the last 510 hours and for $55/hour over the last 231 hours.

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So which way do you the the next 200 hrs will go? [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Sorry had to ask, but thanks for the info.

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man, some of you are way off in this thread

I played in vegas for a year and tracked every session at 2/5NL and 5/10NL.

I played approx 10-40 hours a week for almost every week I was there. I was very lazy and played as little as possible to make money to live on comfortably. Looking back I should;ve dedicated more time to my game and exercised more discipline.

I ran at about $57.xx/hour in 2/5NL

my 5/10NL results were lower due to higher variance, not playing correctly and better players overall (although not too much better, if I had a deeper BR I would;ve played better imo but mentally I couldn't handle mult thousand dollar pots every session)...

rate for 5/10NL was around $45/hour

for those who say $25/hour at 2/5NL is a good estimate, I think you could make $25/hour without even looking at your cards.

If I played mistake free I'm sure I could've made about $80-100/hour but with the combo of laziness, not improving my game, the games actually becoming a little tighter over the span of time I was there, and of course TILT...I remember I ran for $80/hour during the WSOP early months but once the WSOP left my winrate dropped siginificantly.

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what do you think the monthly income is for a winning 2-5 NL live player if he is playing a solid 40 hours a week.

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If you scouted these games, played TAG (it is stupid to play LAG in these not very deep NL games) and never tilted, I'm 100% sure you could make 2k/week although you will have about 1 week out of the month where you will have 3-5 buy in downswing so all in all, if you can make 2k/week but lose 2k on week out of 4, do the math.

Also if you play 40 hours/week of live poker, you will burn out imo in roughly 8-12 months if not a little sooner as did I

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I would say that 2/5NL live plays like .25/.50NL on stars and 5/10NL live playes like 1/2NL on stars.

there are more "good" players at 5/10NL but I hear from other players I know the major jump is between 5/10NL and 10/20NL. I myself never played a session of 10/20NL b/c of BR not being big enough but I could definitely see there was a large jump in skill and overall gameplay at that level by sweating some players I knew in the game for brief periods of time...

feel free to pm me also if you want specific answers to questions about the 2/5NL gameplay in vegas (which is overrated, LA is much better for NL action, vegas just has a wider variety of rooms and buy in levels.)

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I agree about the burnout. I try to play about 30-35 hours a week and/or just quit when I don't want to play anymore. I play for a living and want to make sure it's still enjoyable. Of course if the games are off the hook I'll stay 'til I almost fall asleep or am making mistakes

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I am a regular in the Bellagio $2-5 NL game and if your only making $25/hr you have no clue how to play.

Standard play from last night. I raise to 60 pre flop with AT, drunk tourist calls and pushes all in for $1200 on a KQJ flop. Thanks for the money buddy, his A6 did not get there.

I think $50-75 is more realistic.

If you play at the Bellagio you probably will run into me, I only play on tilt and love flipping for $500 and $1000 a pop.

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I would say that 2/5NL live plays like .25/.50NL on stars and 5/10NL live playes like 1/2NL on stars.

there are more "good" players at 5/10NL but I hear from other players I know the major jump is between 5/10NL and 10/20NL. I myself never played a session of 10/20NL b/c of BR not being big enough but I could definitely see there was a large jump in skill and overall gameplay at that level by sweating some players I knew in the game for brief periods of time...

feel free to pm me also if you want specific answers to questions about the 2/5NL gameplay in vegas (which is overrated, LA is much better for NL action, vegas just has a wider variety of rooms and buy in levels.)

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I dont think 10/20 or 10/25 NL live is much harder than 5/10 NL live. Having played plenty of both I can say that while they are little more aware of the game they arent that much better and there are a lot of weak-tight players that can easily be prayed on. Maybe 20/40 NL live is harder not sure.

Then again I normally play 10/20 NL online and I think 5/10 NL online is a joke. So I dunno..

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I am a regular in the Bellagio $2-5 NL game and if your only making $25/hr you have no clue how to play.

Standard play from last night. I raise to 60 pre flop with AT, drunk tourist calls and pushes all in for $1200 on a KQJ flop. Thanks for the money buddy, his A6 did not get there.

I think $50-75 is more realistic.

If you play at the Bellagio you probably will run into me, I only play on tilt and love flipping for $500 and $1000 a pop.

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if you're raising it to 60 preflop in that game with a10 you have no clue as to what you are doing. I guess if a standard play is floping the nuts you must be doing fine.

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Listen to what Lopan has to say. Everything he says it 100% on the money.

-nation

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if you're raising it to 60 preflop in that game with a10 you have no clue as to what you are doing.

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qft

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I can't get past the 40xBB buyin in California. I like the games where you can buyin for 100xBB

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man i gotta start learning no limit

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I can't get past the 40xBB buyin in California. I like the games where you can buyin for 100xBB

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3-5@the bike

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I am a regular in the Bellagio $2-5 NL game and if your only making $25/hr you have no clue how to play.

Standard play from last night. I raise to 60 pre flop with AT, drunk tourist calls and pushes all in for $1200 on a KQJ flop. Thanks for the money buddy, his A6 did not get there.

I think $50-75 is more realistic.

If you play at the Bellagio you probably will run into me, I only play on tilt and love flipping for $500 and $1000 a pop.

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if you're raising it to 60 preflop in that game with a10 you have no clue as to what you are doing. I guess if a standard play is floping the nuts you must be doing fine.

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yea no [censored]

nick rainey, you sound like a degen...not a poker player

"I like to flip for $500-$1000"???

You're so cool man

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I gamble, ran two $500 flips the other night at the Bellagio, lost the first, won the second. These were the first two hands at the table, so actually had a nice $1000 starting stack.

I actually re-raised a drunk Canadian dude to $60 and then flopped the nuts.

Come say hi if you see me at the Bellagio this weekend. I am hard to miss.

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He's a hustla homie!

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the major jump is between 5/10NL and 10/20NL.

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right, even moreso the player is more BB behind than any other game...deeper stacks = much tougher decisions, especially when you get cr'd ai for 3k in a TPTK situation. People who have lots of $$$ to burn can really lay the screws on you if you have no reads and the stakes matter to you. That's why I never was able to take shots at 10/20, I didn't feel comfortable putting down 3k unless I would be able to play correctly. 5/10NL with 1k cap or buying in for $1500 was different b/c the money didn't mean as much to me at that level obviously.

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ATo is a perfect hand to reraise. I usually say any hand that would be good in blackjack is good. Not always true, but a decent rule of thumb.