Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

The table was fairly aggressive postflop and I had been playing like a rock (if they noticed at all). I limped instead of raising preflop because I didn't want to bloat the pot with a hand that may become marginal quickly postflop.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (3 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero...

Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

bet.

you're likely overthinking this hand.

Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

I dislike your flop bet. At an aggressive table, CO is going to bet the flop for you very often. After all, it's only him against the blinds.

The turn seems like a standard check. Hopefully I'm not missing anything.

Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

I like a turn bet here.

If neither of them has a K that is a scary card for them also and folds are likely.

If one of them has the K they are raising here (most likely), and you'll have odds to draw at the flush and fold the river UI.

I like the flop bet also. With TP in an unraised pot and the nut flush draw I think there's an edge that should be pushed here.

Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

You basically never want anyone to fold any hand that would ever fold on the turn (same goes for the flop pretty much, which is why I said I didn't like the bet there either).

Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

Miles, can you elaborate a bit on that sentence?

I think I get what you're saying, but am not really sure, as my brain isn't comprehending it very well.

Thanks.

Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

I think I'd call.

Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

I don't get why the K is so bad. You bet the turn and they either raise (K) call(6, diamonds, Q high, maybe a pocket pair) of fold. If you are raised, you would have AK, or K6 to fear to ruin your draw ATM. I think both of those hands are unlikely. A smaller diamond draw will pay you off very well too.

I don't get your complete either. 3 handed, I raise A high instantly, especially with a CO open limper.

Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

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You basically never want anyone to fold any hand that would ever fold on the turn (same goes for the flop pretty much, which is why I said I didn't like the bet there either).

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what happened to value? In a "fairly aggressive" game, I don't see anyone betting this flop for you. Not at 1/2 anyway. maybe 30/60. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

FWIW, I would think fairly aggressive to us is passive to you.

Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

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bet.

you're likely overthinking this hand.

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Agree.

Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

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You basically never want anyone to fold any hand that would ever fold on the turn (same goes for the flop pretty much, which is why I said I didn't like the bet there either).

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So much value T_T

Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

when do you plan on betting this hand then? checkraising the turn?

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I dislike your flop bet. At an aggressive table, CO is going to bet the flop for you very often. After all, it's only him against the blinds.

The turn seems like a standard check. Hopefully I'm not missing anything.

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Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

If it gets heads up with CO on the turn, I would check call the turn and either check call the river or bet/fold it (likely just check call after the turn K).

If it goes to that turn 3-way, I would check call again and reevaluate on the river. If it were a low turn card, I would likely check call 3-way once again, and then lead out on the river.

Having the flop check through is so far from a disaster, and it doesn't happen too often with a CO vs. the blinds hand. CO will bet the flop with ATC more than often to make up for any value you miss from them calling with worse hands on a AKx board.

Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

I bet the flop, hoping to get some action with top pair and the flush draw. Once they both called the flop and the turn card paired, I figured I would check because almost surely one of them would take a stab at it. Unfortunately, I got a little more action than I expected.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (3 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (9 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero...

Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

i bet the flop and the turn. and call down from turn if raised.

Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

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I bet the flop, hoping to get some action with top pair and the flush draw. Once they both called the flop and the turn card paired, I figured I would check because almost surely one of them would take a stab at it. Unfortunately, I got a little more action than I expected.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (3 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (9 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero...

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I would be very surprised (basically horrified) if you actually showed this down.

Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

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I bet the flop, hoping to get some action with top pair and the flush draw. Once they both called the flop and the turn card paired, I figured I would check because almost surely one of them would take a stab at it. Unfortunately, I got a little more action than I expected.

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (3 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (9 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero...

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I would be very surprised (basically horrified) if you actually showed this down.

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Yeah... except if the river gets checked through. I'm really surprised BB didn't give me more flop action and that CO gave so much turn action.

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 4d Ad (two pair, aces and kings).
BB has Td Qd (one pair, kings).
CO has Js Jc (two pair, kings and jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 9 BB. </font>

Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot
 

Good hand post if for no other reason than it's a real easy turn check which most people apparantly don't make.
I'm in the flop check column as well.