$16s call or fold?
 

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UTG (t1360)
UTG+1 (t1350)
MP1 (t1520)
MP2 (t1120)
CO (t2050)
Hero (t1750)
SB (t3450)
BB (t900)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, MP1 calls t100, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t300</font>, SB calls t250, BB calls t200, MP1 calls t200

Flop: (t1200) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">BB bets t600 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, Hero ???

Re: $16s call or fold?
 

I call here. It's either way ahead or way behind here but I think you're ahead here often enough. He could be making a stop n go with any pair or AX here. A lot of people would check the K to the raiser. He has to expect you to c-bet this board.

Re: $16s call or fold?
 

With 1 limper, I would raise to 400 preflop.

As played....I'd probably fold. The board doesn't have many draws on it and it's hard to believe that none of these guys have a K here....including the SB who is pushing into 3 people on a drawless board. Plus, if you call, you're committing more of your stack when somebody can push behind you with top pair. I think I'd fold here....but if you raised to 400, you might have had less callers which might have changed this scenario.....

Re: $16s call or fold?
 

I call. I would also raise to 350-400 preflop. But then i guess you are raising a quarter of your stack. I think a push wouldn't be totally out of line given the stack sizes of the limper and big blind.

Re: $16s call or fold?
 

Correction: I fold. I didn't pay that much attention originally &amp; thought the hand was heads up. He's pushing into 3 people here. He has a K more often than not.

Re: $16s call or fold?
 

As others have said, raise to 350-400 preflop.

Re: $16s call or fold?
 

Forget 350-400, you will get called by the same people when you raise it to 500. With that said, as the hand was played, it's a definite fold when he's pushing into 3 people.

Re: $16s call or fold?
 

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Forget 350-400, you will get called by the same people when you raise it to 500. With that said, as the hand was played, it's a definite fold when he's pushing into 3 people.

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You prefer to play the pot heads up. Therefore, a raise to 350-400 is appropriate. 500 is just bloating the pot.

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Forget 350-400, you will get called by the same people when you raise it to 500. With that said, as the hand was played, it's a definite fold when he's pushing into 3 people.

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I would over push. He is shoving 600 into a 1200 pot. I think he is pushing all sorts of garbage here.

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Forget 350-400, you will get called by the same people when you raise it to 500. With that said, as the hand was played, it's a definite fold when he's pushing into 3 people.

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I would over push. He is shoving 600 into a 1200 pot. I think he is pushing all sorts of garbage here.

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He's also pushing against 3 players. There's no draws that he could be pushing. Do you really think he does this w/o a K often enough to call here? It's either way ahead or way behind. I think we're behind more often than not.

Also, If you insist on continuing with the hand I think calling is better than pushing. At least this way you leave yourself an exit strategy if SB was going for a check-raise. Pushing is pretty bad IMO. Sure you might be able to get SB to fold a weak K but it's not likely enough to make the push.

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Forget 350-400, you will get called by the same people when you raise it to 500. With that said, as the hand was played, it's a definite fold when he's pushing into 3 people.

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I would over push. He is shoving 600 into a 1200 pot. I think he is pushing all sorts of garbage here.

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He's also pushing against 3 players. There's no draws that he could be pushing. Do you really think he does this w/o a K often enough to call here? It's either way ahead or way behind. I think we're behind more often than not.

Also, If you insist on continuing with the hand I think calling is better than pushing. At least this way you leave yourself an exit strategy if SB was going for a check-raise. Pushing is pretty bad IMO. Sure you might be able to get SB to fold a weak K but it's not likely enough to make the push.

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So you would invest 1k of your stack leaving just over 700 behind?

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Forget 350-400, you will get called by the same people when you raise it to 500. With that said, as the hand was played, it's a definite fold when he's pushing into 3 people.

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I would over push. He is shoving 600 into a 1200 pot. I think he is pushing all sorts of garbage here.

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He's also pushing against 3 players. There's no draws that he could be pushing. Do you really think he does this w/o a K often enough to call here? It's either way ahead or way behind. I think we're behind more often than not.

Also, If you insist on continuing with the hand I think calling is better than pushing. At least this way you leave yourself an exit strategy if SB was going for a check-raise. Pushing is pretty bad IMO. Sure you might be able to get SB to fold a weak K but it's not likely enough to make the push.

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So you would invest 1k of your stack leaving just over 700 behind?

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I woudn't get involved to begin with. However, I still think calling is best. SB is playing this hand after a push and call from the PF raiser w/o a K. If he comes along you can be pretty damn sure you're drawing to 2 outs as most. F all that pot committed nonsense. It's better to leave yourself an exit strategy. I see people make the worst calls ever because they feel pot committed. If you know you're beat and you know you don't have the pot odds to continue, you fold. Simple as that. The pot committed concept is overrrated.

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Well I am probably shoving preflop instead of raising a 1/4 of my stack.

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Well I am probably shoving preflop instead of raising a 1/4 of my stack.

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An argument can be made for this. Hoever, I prefer to make a standard raise. An A or K will only flop about 1/3rd of the time. Even those times, we won't always be behind. I want action here. An argument could be made either way though.

Anyways, I'm out for the weekend. Have a good one.

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Well I am probably shoving preflop instead of raising a 1/4 of my stack.

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Sorry, but this looks just like a "I dont like to make any decision postflop, i rather go all in leave a good opportunity to double up".
Raising is perfectly ok. The Problem is just the King on the board. So what? Than you fold this time. I allready said that in other posts, too: QQ+ are not supposed to win all the time, but most of the time.
This is probably one of the easiest folds in poker. Most of the time there is no overcard and then you can stack some villains.
Dont shed crocodile tears after your QQ [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
I agree with JSH06...get away from that Pot commited junk, if you have so many chips left...

Re: $16s call or fold?
 

I think SB still left to act makes this a fold, but I don't like it much.

Also, I probably bump it to t400 preflop to gain value.

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He's pushing into 3 people here. He has a K more often than not.

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This is way too insightful for the 16's. These people aren't going to know the difference between shoving into six people and minbetting 1/10 the pot heads up.

Raise more preflop (500) so you're less likely to face a sticky flop decision.

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I think SB still left to act makes this a fold, but I don't like it much.

Also, I probably bump it to t400 preflop to gain value.

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Re: $16s call or fold?
 

I'd make it $500 PF - this way you're pretty much guaranteed to be HU, or take it down.

Re: $16s call or fold?
 

I'd personally raise to t350-t400 here. Pushing is fine but it's certainly not optimal.

And I'd fold on this flop, if it were heads-up and he was betting into me I'd be obviously inclined to call but 4-way, I'll trust he's probably holding a King.

Re: $16s call or fold?
 

As played, auto-instafold for me. You gambled PF by only raising 3xBB after a limper, and now you are beat. By calling this, you are just paying off the implied odds you gave the BB to call your PF raise with Kx type hands.