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It looks like the House of Representatives is a lock to have a Democratic Party majority after the elections tomorrow and there's a decent chance the Democratic Party will control the Senate as well. Congratulations for the victory as I wouldn't have thought it a probable one a year ago. The "stay the course" policy of the administration regarding Iraq has been successfully campaigned against. I suppose that's a good thing since the public wants a change. Now the direction of that war will be debated and the new Congress will seek to implement a new policy. What will be the agenda for the new Congress? TIA for comments.

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If 30% is a decent chance, yes, thats in the real world for the Senate. I generally dont like to enter hands when Im dominated though.

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Did Dewey win already?

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I have a $100 bet. Dems win both, i win, Reps retain both, i lose, split is a push. I love betting on the future of the free world.

I made $$$ when Arnold won in Cali, and lost my shirt when Kerry lost in 04

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I believe we'll win the house. I have no idea what's gonna happen in the senate. I'm gonna be real tense for the next 36 hours.

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adios, is this some kind of weird jinx? if so gg

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I believe we'll win the house. I have no idea what's gonna happen in the senate. I'm gonna be real tense for the next 36 hours.

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Even I don't consider myself a Democrat, I really want them to win; so, tense is about right; I do have a bad feeling though when the elections are this close, they tend to go Republican because of the Diebold effect.

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On behalf of Politics Forum Dems, I'm trying not to count those chickens, but I'm certainly making sure I know where the roost is at. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I'll still feel bummed if we don't take the Senate, but there will definately be a gloating thread if we take the House.

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On behalf of Politics Forum Dems, I'm trying not to count those chickens, but I'm certainly making sure I know where the roost is at. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I'll still feel bummed if we don't take the Senate, but there will definately be a gloating thread if we take the House.

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I have bookmarked threads from two yrs ago where I bragged about us retaking one if not both houses -

yes, there will be gloat [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

if we don't retake the house I think every pollster and educated person in the would would jump on the election fraud bandwagon - almost a mathemetical certainity.

senate is too close but sounds like it'll come down to VA/TN/MO - best 2 out of 3 win

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senate is too close but sounds like it'll come down to MO - best 1 out of 1 win

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I'll be watching with great interest to see how things turn out. I trust polling less this election vs most elections. Turn out will be key. With the insane level of attack ads this election its clear many will stoop to any level to win, I have to wonder how much shady stuff will occur.

I'll be the most disappointed if Harold Ford doesn't win. He seems like the kind of principled individual we need in Washington.

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On behalf of Politics Forum Dems, I'm trying not to count those chickens, but I'm certainly making sure I know where the roost is at. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I'll still feel bummed if we don't take the Senate, but there will definately be a gloating thread if we take the House.

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To justify a gloating thread the Dems would need to nearly sweep the closely contested House seats. Elections in the 6th year of an administration are so stacked against the sitting Presidents party, that anything less than that is a loss for the Dems.

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I'll be watching with great interest to see how things turn out. I trust polling less this election vs most elections. Turn out will be key. With the insane level of attack ads this election its clear many will stoop to any level to win, I have to wonder how much shady stuff will occur.

I'll be the most disappointed if Harold Ford doesn't win. He seems like the kind of principled individual we need in Washington.

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Oh? what principles does he hold that don't toe the party line? The interviews Ive seen him give he's just another bot reciting the party talking points. and given the treatment that the Dems give to anyone straying, especially minorities, he is wise to do so.

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On behalf of Politics Forum Dems, I'm trying not to count those chickens, but I'm certainly making sure I know where the roost is at. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I'll still feel bummed if we don't take the Senate, but there will definately be a gloating thread if we take the House.

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To justify a gloating thread the Dems would need to nearly sweep the closely contested House seats. Elections in the 6th year of an administration are so stacked against the sitting Presidents party, that anything less than that is a loss for the Dems.

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dress it up any way you like.

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To justify a gloating thread the Dems would need to nearly sweep the closely contested House seats.

That's really dumb.

By that logic if 40 seats are closely contested and dems win 35, it's more gloatworthy than if 60 are closely contested and they win 45. It's clearly better to win 45.

Elections in the 6th year of an administration are so stacked against the sitting Presidents party, that anything less than that is a loss for the Dems.

And how can picking up the majority in the House be a loss for Dems? Again: really, really dumb. All that matters in the House is being the majority party. The minority sucks hind teat, whether they have 215 seats or 200.

Stop moving the goalposts. An actual failure to win the majority will be a catastrophic loss, but a majority will be a big win.

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and given the treatment that the Dems give to anyone straying, especially minorities, he is wise to do so.

The only Dem I've ever seen attacked for straying from a party line is Lieberman, and that's cause he sided with the president against legitimate criticism of the war.

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To justify a gloating thread the Dems would need to nearly sweep the closely contested House seats.

That's really dumb.

By that logic if 40 seats are closely contested and dems win 35, it's more gloatworthy than if 60 are closely contested and they win 45. It's clearly better to win 45.

Elections in the 6th year of an administration are so stacked against the sitting Presidents party, that anything less than that is a loss for the Dems.

And how can picking up the majority in the House be a loss for Dems? Again: really, really dumb. All that matters in the House is being the majority party. The minority sucks hind teat, whether they have 215 seats or 200.

Stop moving the goalposts. An actual failure to win the majority will be a catastrophic loss, but a majority will be a big win.

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wrong. without a Senate majority and a resounding win in the House, its a hollow victory that is meaningless in the context of prior 6th year elections...those results are what set the goalposts.

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To justify a gloating thread the Dems would need to nearly sweep the closely contested House seats.

That's really dumb.

By that logic if 40 seats are closely contested and dems win 35, it's more gloatworthy than if 60 are closely contested and they win 45. It's clearly better to win 45.

Elections in the 6th year of an administration are so stacked against the sitting Presidents party, that anything less than that is a loss for the Dems.

And how can picking up the majority in the House be a loss for Dems? Again: really, really dumb. All that matters in the House is being the majority party. The minority sucks hind teat, whether they have 215 seats or 200.

Stop moving the goalposts. An actual failure to win the majority will be a catastrophic loss, but a majority will be a big win.

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wrong. without a Senate majority and a resounding win in the House, its a hollow victory that is meaningless in the context of prior 6th year elections...those results are what set the goalposts.

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wow is this dumb. since when is the "context of prior 6th year elections" relevant? it's about winning the seats and getting the repubs out. period.

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wrong. without a Senate majority and a resounding win in the House, its a hollow victory that is meaningless in the context of prior 6th year elections...those results are what set the goalposts.

Apparently, you're interested in the Elections Hall of Fame debate. Most of us are interested in the actual governance of the country. Winning the House will be a huge deal.

As for the senate, I'm again going to call you very very dumb. The senate is currently split 55R-45D, but the Democrats actually have more seats up for reelection this year than the republicans do - 18 to 15. The fact that the Dems have put more than half of those R seats in play is huge.

I'd suggest not relying on Ann Coulter for your historical perspective.

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Oh? what principles does he hold that don't toe the party line?

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He voted in favor of:
- prayer-in-school
- anti-flag burning constitutional amendments
- repeal of the death tax.

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If the Dems win House or Senate its huge...

Dems won't win the senate though..may not even win 5 seats let alone 6

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wrong. without a Senate majority and a resounding win in the House, its a hollow victory that is meaningless in the context of prior 6th year elections...those results are what set the goalposts.

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* Strong Democratic: 18
* Lean Democratic: 2
* Toss-up: 4
* Lean Republican: 2
* Strong Republican: 7

That's how the Senate elections this year are breaking down. 66% Dem and 33% Republican.

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The senate will be hard since uneducated people in Wyoming, Idaho, etc vote against their own interests.

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The senate will be hard since uneducated people in Wyoming, Idaho, etc vote against their own interests.

If you believe this is true, then the onus lies on democrats to be better educators and campaigners.

Also, paging Copernicus to this thread. Paging Copernicus to this thread. We need responses to some rebuttals.

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The senate will be hard since uneducated people in Wyoming, Idaho, etc vote against their own interests.

If you believe this is true, then the onus lies on democrats to be better educators and campaigners.

Also, paging Copernicus to this thread. Paging Copernicus to this thread. We need responses to some rebuttals.

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There have been no rebuttals to my statement, only dismissals of the relevance of the history of 6th year administrations, erroneous claims that winning the House and not the Senate is "huge", and guesses at the outcome of the election that appear to be based on week old polls.

When a supposedly equal or superior team is spotted 21 points in a game, winning by 10 is nothing to gloat about.

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How did Clinton manage to not lose massive seats in 98?

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How did Clinton manage to not lose massive seats in 98?

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Peace and prosperity were running rampant at this time

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To justify a gloating thread the Dems would need to nearly sweep the closely contested House seats. Elections in the 6th year of an administration are so stacked against the sitting Presidents party, that anything less than that is a loss for the Dems.

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Hahahaha. Damage control starts now; set expectations low, and if it turns out your way, even slightly, you can claim "huge" wins, if it turns out bad, you can always say "yeah, but the democrats didn't get a VETO-PROOF MAJORITY, therefore we win".

Oh, I see everyone else already spanked you.

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The senate will be hard since uneducated people in Wyoming, Idaho, etc vote against their own interests.

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What? We missed some uneducated people? We'll get to work getting them "stuck in Iraq" ASAP.

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Three cheers for the lesser of the two evils!

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On behalf of Politics Forum Dems, I'm trying not to count those chickens, but I'm certainly making sure I know where the roost is at. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I'll still feel bummed if we don't take the Senate, but there will definately be a gloating thread if we take the House.

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I have bookmarked threads from two yrs ago where I bragged about us retaking one if not both houses -

yes, there will be gloat [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

if we don't retake the house I think every pollster and educated person in the would would jump on the election fraud bandwagon - almost a mathemetical certainity.

senate is too close but sounds like it'll come down to VA/TN/MO - best 2 out of 3 win

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While I'll refrain from gloating tomorrow, I am looking forward to the inevitable Whiskeytown conspiracy "vote stealing" thread that will be posted. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Do us proud with lots of outrage and vitriol. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

I love the "mathematical certainty" that the numbers that unreliable pollsters produce must be better than the votes that real people cast on election day. Heck, why not cancel election day and just go with the polls?

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I voted democrat this year out of disgust with the republicans (in fact, I made 4 political donations this year after never before having made one) and there are two things I want to see from them: stem cell research and an attempt at a balanced budget. If they can give me those two things they'll have my vote again in 2008.

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Heck, why not cancel election day and just go with the polls?


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Besides five or six of the nine Supreme Court Justices, how many lawyers do the Republicans have lined up tomorrow to steal the election?

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how many lawyers do the Republicans have lined up tomorrow to steal the election?

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Not as many as the Dems do.

Republicans are happy to live with the verdict of the voters. Only when Democrat judges, like those on the Florida Supreme Court, decide to rewrite the existing laws of the state legislatures to arrange a result contrary to the choice of the voters, do we need to simply say: "your rewrite is invalid".

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subpoena power ftw

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I love the "mathematical certainty" that the numbers that unreliable pollsters produce must be better than the votes that real people cast on election day.

Exit polling is the most accurate polling. It should be within 0.5%. When this number varies by much in elections around the world the USA looks on those elections as having voter fraud. It is hard to see where it wouldn't show the same here.

MS Sunshine

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To me it doesn't really matter what happens in this election. W has confirmed that he is totally unhinged and this will not ever change. The Republicans have shown that they do not care about governing this nation other than keepign taxes low and maintaining power.

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I love the "mathematical certainty" that the numbers that unreliable pollsters produce must be better than the votes that real people cast on election day.

Exit polling is the most accurate polling. It should be within 0.5%. When this number varies by much in elections around the world the USA looks on those elections as having voter fraud. It is hard to see where it wouldn't show the same here.

MS Sunshine

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I'm sure President Kerry agrees with you.

When was the last time they did an exit poll of absentee ballots?

After all the mistakes made by the exit polls, you would think people would realize how unreliable they are.

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I love the "mathematical certainty" that the numbers that unreliable pollsters produce must be better than the votes that real people cast on election day. Heck, why not cancel election day and just go with the polls?

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Don't worry, there won't be any election day fraud. That was SO last couple of elections. It's more fashionable to keep Democrats away from the poll than to actually find a way to lose their vote:
RNCC Robocalling voters in an attempt to anger and deceive voters into not voting Democratic.