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I posted this in the middle of another thread, figured it was worth its own thread. AZK, feel free to lock if you disagree!

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I believe a number of the responses in this and some other recent threads are because this forum was created largely due to people's desire of having an NL forum where the discussion was oriented around somewhat advanced concepts. The level of hands that have been posted lately often are obvious in nature or show glaring basic mistakes. There are two other NL forums where people can learn basic stuff.

Mods, I think you guys should change the guidelines for this forum to 10-20NL and higher. People w/ interesting hands can use their judgement as to when something at lower stakes is interesting enough to post in this forum.

Mods locking or moving the threads that are so basic or bad to the medium or small forum would of course also be a big help. I suggest adding a couple of mods (flawless, fsu, Yeti, whoever) and cleaning up this forum, as it has turned into quite the cesspool again.
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Amen, the gospel of El Diablo.

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I read a lot of posts here, and thing that conceptual discussion threads are rather limited. I feel there is a big difference between conceptual threads, and line check threads where people ask questions about the proper implementation of a concept. Also, with some hands posted at 25/50 or higher, distinct knowledge of a given game or player may be needed, which limits the usefulness of the post to people who play that game.

I find the dilemma to be, is this forum to be explicitly for people who want to tweak their game, or, as I think many readers of this forum (read:lurkers) would prefer, a way for us to understand what makes these players (who presumably play this high because they are winning players) good. So maybe less questions about KK in a deep stack situation, and more posts like Matt Flynn's about pot control, or any of the other classics that really are in-depth discussions of interesting poker concepts. But that is just my opinion.

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I agree. Every time somebody says something along these lines they get the typical "2+2 guys are such jerks" response. I say let the animosity die down by quietly moving these threads.

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I dont think more mods is the answer. AZK does a great job, despite some peopel not being happy with him, he is > then them.

Perhaps the guidelines of what hands should be posted should be changed, and sure, some hands are rediculous, but certain posters shoudl grow up a little bit. And when I say a little bit, I mean alot.

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What about 5/10 6-max? I think that a lot of the play there is very advanced. I can understand 5/10 10-max being considered medium stakes still though...

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i think flawless would make a good mod.

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This is nothing against you dude but I can't stop laughing. I want 5/10 in here too but I agree w/ Diablo that a lot of the hands that get posted are so basic and could easily be handled by ZeeJustin and his medium stakes crew.

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What about 5/10 6-max? I think that a lot of the play there is very advanced. I can understand 5/10 10-max being considered medium stakes still though...

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i agree that 5-10 is on the fence for this forum.

there have been tons of 5-10 hands that belong in mid or small stakes even.



that being said, the majority of 5-10 hands posted by the 'usual suspects' of solid posters around here are good hands to discuss.

like ive said before, im on 2p2 a good amount and wouldnt mind helping out as a mod. if needed.

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Ouch a stab at ZeeJustin for no reason. According to my stats he has been cleaning up lately at 10/20 on PP.

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I think 5/10 hands that are very obviously basic should be moved as a matter of course to MSNLPL.

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You seem to be talking about an "Advanced Strategy" forum rather than a forum based on any particular stakes. If you base the forum on particular stakes, it seems silly to say that a particular hand played at the required stakes doesn't qualify.

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FWIW, in the limit forums we consider 30/60 to be borderline between our mid- and high-stakes forums, so interesting situations from 30/60 regulars can go in high stakes, but "line check" posts and very straightforward 30/60 hands especially from people just taking a shot at the limit are considered to belong in mid-stakes. This seems to be working fine for us, so if you were to do the same thing over here with 5/10 NL as the borderline it could be successful.

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This is nothing against you dude but I can't stop laughing. I want 5/10 in here too but I agree w/ Diablo that a lot of the hands that get posted are so basic and could easily be handled by ZeeJustin and his medium stakes crew.

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Why do you have to be an ass? I post here trying to improve my cash game play. I know a suck (to clarify, this means I'm a small winner at the 10/20 and have a winrate I'm not happy with). I post hands that I think I may have played terribly because I think that's the best way to learn. Do you have a specific problem with my posts, or are you being an ass for no reason? If you read through some of my past posts (in both this forum and other forums), you'll see how helpful I've been to players that are still learning the game.

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I don't like the 5/10 or 10/20 posts where no reads are provided and no mention of the poster's image. Those are basically dumb hands and are pretty pointless. The stakes aren't so important, since 5/10 hands can be interesting too if basic information is provided.

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I hope you realize that someone posting something that's "basic" or has a "glaring mistake" in it obviously doesn't have the discretion to determine that it belongs in a different forum.

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I hope you realize that someone posting something that's "basic" or has a "glaring mistake" in it obviously doesn't have the discretion to determine that it belongs in a different forum.

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i think that he realizes that, i think that he's making a call for the mods to superimpose their disgression on the posters'.

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I don't like the 5/10 or 10/20 posts where no reads are provided and no mention of the poster's image. Those are basically dumb hands and are pretty pointless. The stakes aren't so important, since 5/10 hands can be interesting too if basic information is provided.

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I think we should just "outlaw" all hands that don't have relevant reads and past history info (although past history can be we've stayed out of eachothers way but I think the hands where "I just sat down so no reads" are too hard to talk about anything "worthwhile")

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I don't like the 5/10 or 10/20 posts where no reads are provided and no mention of the poster's image. Those are basically dumb hands and are pretty pointless. The stakes aren't so important, since 5/10 hands can be interesting too if basic information is provided.

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This is a great point. Most hands people post on here have no information about the opponents or what the opponent thinks about hero.

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sometimes hands come up where the hero actually has no reads and it makes the decision harder, and doesn't mean it's a bad post. obviously it helps to have a read, but sometimes there isn't one, but a decision still has to be made. i think bad posts are ones with an obvious decision where reads don't really even have to be considered.

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whitelime: WTF? Of course I realize that. Did you even read the initial post? If so, read it again.

ZJ: I think he is just jealous because you look so good naked and would not have a drink with him because you had to go party with your posse in Atlantis.

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What about 5/10 6-max? I think that a lot of the play there is very advanced. I can understand 5/10 10-max being considered medium stakes still though...



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This is a joke right? How many hands have played at 5/10 6m? After about 20k, I would say you have probably encountered any and every possible situation you could with 100xbb. There is nothing left to think about, there is no "advanced" play when you have 100xbb.

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What about 5/10 6-max? I think that a lot of the play there is very advanced. I can understand 5/10 10-max being considered medium stakes still though...



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This is a joke right? How many hands have played at 5/10 6m? After about 20k, I would say you have probably encountered any and every possible situation you could with 100xbb. There is nothing left to think about, there is no "advanced" play when you have 100xbb.

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er, then 50/100 with a 10k stack is not advanced either. there's tons of hands with deeper than 100bb involved at 5/10, just as there is at higher stakes. i'm not saying that 5/10 should be high stakes necessarilly, i'm just saying your reasoning here isn't the best example for why you could choose.

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ALL: why are you guys saying outlaw posts with no reads....most of the time I have no reads as is. If I was wondering what to do I wouldn't have necessary reads. Most of the time when people post the reads they have, people tend to overplay how important those reads are. Example, "hero has somewhat a lag image", therefore the debate turns into CALL CALL CALL THEY THINK YOU ONLY PLAY JUNK, when that's probably not the case b/c a lot of your opponents won't actually have good reads despite how obvious you think it is.

Zeejustin: people hate on you b/c you have made a LOT of money playing poker, more money than the haters. And they feel they are better than you b/c they might be slightly better than you at nl cash which is just 1 form of poker (albeit the best form). However you clean their clocks at tournament poker and sit n go poker, which is how you made your money. Don't let them get you down though, b/c in no time you will dominate nl cash just like you dominate all other poker you try.

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Zeebo,

Have you seen ZeeJustin naked?

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Why do the 2+2 forums exist? This is a serious question.

Obviously, the attempt to improve the quality of posts is working and has benefited most. However, this could become a slippery slope where influential posters could shape the forum into what serves them the best.

I think there should be clear and distinct criteria for classifying the forums and they should be based on the stakes, not the complexity of the hands. The game changes at every level and therefore some people still need basic line checks at 5-10 and above.

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So why suggest ... "People w/ interesting hands can use their judgement as to when something at lower stakes is interesting enough to post in this forum."

Btw, I agree with most of your post. We just need mods to sort the stuff out.

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Most of the time when people post the reads they have, people tend to overplay how important those reads are.

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This is 100% true.

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Zeebo,

Have you seen ZeeJustin naked?

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I don't like the 5/10 or 10/20 posts where no reads are provided and no mention of the poster's image. Those are basically dumb hands and are pretty pointless. The stakes aren't so important, since 5/10 hands can be interesting too if basic information is provided.

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So you basically don't like any of my posts [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I think non-read posts are the BEST because I never have reads.

I'm only slightly joking.

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ZJ: I think he is just jealous because you look so good naked

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I dunno man, granted he looks good but you look far better. Tight stomach.

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Yeti,

Jealousy is a weak emotion, it's usually reserved for women. You gotta be able to overcome it.

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like ive said before, im on 2p2 a good amount and wouldnt mind helping out as a mod. if needed.

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I don't read this forum a whole bunch and I never participate, but I've always wondered why you weren't a mod.

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he's too busy running bad. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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I agree we should have other mods. I also agree that more clean up in terms of boring hands needs to be implemented so we don't run the risk of becoming retarded. Starting now I'm going to start becoming more active in terms of moving hands... FSU you should PM Mat.

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he's too busy running bad. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]aka playing bad?

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this forum has been deadd ever since i stopped slapping around mahatma .

** loads UB **

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fsuplayer is a must-be mod!

Count it Mat!

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fsuplayer is a must-be mod!

Count it Mat!

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pm him then, because i am sure he isnt reading this thread.

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fsuplayer is a must-be mod!

Count it Mat!

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pm him then, because i am sure he isnt reading this thread.

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Done and done.

I encourage others to do the same.