Very simple QQ checkup
 

Villian is a total unknown he just sat down.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $166.90
UTG+1: $122.85
Hero: $187.15
Button: $96
SB: $192.40
BB: $109.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $12</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($25.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $17</font>....

The plan being to bet/fold and give him credit for AA/KK/TT. If he's got JJ, oh well.

Re: Very simple QQ checkup
 

I play it the same. I tend to give credit to 3-bets against unknowns.

Re: Very simple QQ checkup
 

I usually check/call in these overpair situations all day and reevaluate turn

Re: Very simple QQ checkup
 

With no reads this is what I will do as well.

Re: Very simple QQ checkup
 

Another option is to c/c this flop. Most times c/f turn.

Re: Very simple QQ checkup
 

What's your line if he calls? Are you ever seeing a showdown here?

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I usually check/call in these overpair situations all day and reevaluate turn

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This is what I used to do as well. I'm trying to get over my aversion to bet/folding.

Re: Very simple QQ checkup
 

i dont see what bet folding rly does. I used to do it a lot. I guess it stops us being 2 barrelled off the best hand. I guess adds some protection. But it rly loses a bit of value i feel

Re: Very simple QQ checkup
 

Is this a case of turning the hand into a bluff?

I thought c/c was standard in this situation...?

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I prefer c/r or c/c

Re: Very simple QQ checkup
 

You check call and turn is a blank. Now you are playing for stacks.

It does greatly devalue your hand to bet the flop, but how much are you making from a worse hand here (probably AK) anyway?

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Or maybe check raise that flop then let him have the tough decision

Re: Very simple QQ checkup
 

If the 100nl at ft is playing anything like the 200/400nl has been recently(particularly post ban) whatever line I take won't include folding.

My preferred line is c/c c/r all in on turn though. If turn gets checked through I'll c/c most rivers.

QQ is the new KK. I don't tend to do alot of folding w/ it.

Paul

Re: Very simple QQ checkup
 

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You check call and turn is a blank. Now you are playing for stacks.

It does greatly devalue your hand to bet the flop, but how much are you making from a worse hand here (probably AK) anyway?

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Not true. I find that AK will rarely double barrel here in these spots. So the action will usually go c/c on the turn if he has AQ/AK. I'm not too concerned w. him hitting his 6 outer. I think we will usually be able to check it down (sometimes c/c river) most times if he has missed overs.

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You check call and turn is a blank. Now you are playing for stacks.

It does greatly devalue your hand to bet the flop, but how much are you making from a worse hand here (probably AK) anyway?

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Villain is a fairly snug reg...

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $408.30
UTG+1: $416
CO: $464
Button: $432.35
SB: $72.60
BB: $1216.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $16</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $52</font>, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($110, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $75</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($260, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 is all-in $289</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $281.3</font>.
Uncalled bets: $7.7 returned to UTG+1.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($822.6, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $822.6)


Results:
Final pot: $822.6
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed Qd Qc</font>
<font color="#ffffff">UTG+1 mucks Ad Kd</font>

Paul

Re: Very simple QQ checkup
 

That's a bit different though Paul. My villian is a complete unknown.

Re: Very simple QQ checkup
 

I don't like bet/folding here. You're giving an unknown too much credit, IMO.

Without read, c/c, reevaluate on turn (and I'd lead out often on safe turns).

Against bad players and/or maniacs, I like a flop CR.

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That's a bit different though Paul. My villian is a complete unknown.

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Thats what I was trying to say in my original post. The average unknown(and even seemingly snug known tags) seem to be much more aggresive recently. I don't know whether this is the case at the 100s though.

If you think it isn't then I like c/c flop c/f turn. If turn gets checked through c/c non A/K rivers.

Paul

Re: Very simple QQ checkup
 

Paul,
I'm stacking off w. QQ at 2/4 almost all day on an underboard. 100nl is alot different though (imo).