6.5: KK with an A on the flop
 

Do I fold this here? how was the flop bet?

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UTG (t1690)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t3230)
Hero (t1490)
Button (t1470)
SB (t1120)
BB (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="red">MP1 raises to t100</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t360</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, MP1 calls t260

Flop: (t750) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t500</font>, MP1 calls t500

Turn: (t1750) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks

River: (t1750) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">MP1 bets t640 (All-in)</font>, Hero ?

Re: 6.5: KK with an A on the flop
 

Could someone at least say, "Fold. Standard" or whatever else would be obvious and appropriate?

Re: 6.5: KK with an A on the flop
 

A c-bet on the flop is fine, but I think you could get the same information for less on a flop like this HU. If you're going to c-bet (checking would be fine), then c-bet 350.

Re: 6.5: KK with an A on the flop
 

I'd bet at least 400 PF. I'd probably check the flop (You pot comitted yourself with your flop bet so why not just shove there?). On that flop I want to keep the pot as small as possible, but you bloated.
This was just an ugly hand imho.

Re: 6.5: KK with an A on the flop
 

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I'd bet at least 400 PF. I'd probably check the flop (You pot comitted yourself with your flop bet so why not just shove there?). On that flop I want to keep the pot as small as possible, but you bloated.
This was just an ugly hand imho.

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I don't think he committed himself preflop. He put in 25% of his stack preflop. Granted that is large, but if villian has an A, then he's 9% to win the hand. He shouldn't have to be committed here with those kinds of odds.

Although, if he was going to re-raise preflop, I would have made it 300. Small difference, but it would have also saved him some c-bet money (if he chooses to make one). On a 6.50, I'd probably c-bet. Villian could easily have two paint cards without an A.

Re: 6.5: KK with an A on the flop
 

I play it like you except I make the flop bet a little smaller. There are no dangerous draws so a half pot size bet should do the work just as fine.

Re: 6.5: KK with an A on the flop
 

id make it 400 preflop, and cry when the A flops, and probably check. if you want to c-bet, make it smaller, if he doesnt have an ace he'll probably give up. once you face resistance youre kinda screwed and id just give up. once you make this huge flop bet though, its pretty tough to fold at any point after

Re: 6.5: KK with an A on the flop
 

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You pot comitted yourself with your flop bet so why not just shove there?

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I don't think he committed himself preflop. He put in 25% of his stack preflop. Granted that is large, but if villian has an A, then he's 9% to win the hand. He shouldn't have to be committed here with those kinds of odds.

Although, if he was going to re-raise preflop, I would have made it 300. Small difference, but it would have also saved him some c-bet money (if he chooses to make one). On a 6.50, I'd probably c-bet. Villian could easily have two paint cards without an A.

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I said he pot comitted himself on the flop,not PF.

Re: 6.5: KK with an A on the flop
 

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I said he pot comitted himself on the flop,not PF.

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Oh.....you're right [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: 6.5: KK with an A on the flop
 

Flop is a really clear check.

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Flop is a really clear check.

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Re: 6.5: KK with an A on the flop
 

I like a slightly larger raise pre-flop.

Check behind on the flop.

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Flop is a really clear check.

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I'm curious....If you check the flop, how do you play the turn if he pushes, and how do you play it if he checks again?

Personally, I'm folding the turn if he pushes and pushing if he checks? This is probably standard -- any thoughts?

Re: 6.5: KK with an A on the flop
 

I check the turn if he checks behind. If he pushes it is close, but probably a fold.