35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

1st hand at the table (no reads)

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t600 with t50 antes (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t16750)
UTG+1 (t36130)
Hero (t27593)
MP2 (t47670)
MP3 (t5900)
CO (t15940)
Button (t9840)
SB (t7775)
BB (t36268)

Preflop: Hero is in MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t2100</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to t36218 (All-in)</font>, Hero calls t25443 (All-in)

Flop: (t65111) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)


Turn: (t65111) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)


River: (t65111) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

Ick. You raised from EP and villain chose to shove over the top from the BB. If he is a thinking opponent, he knows your EP raise means strength, so he must be really strong to make this move (gap concept). Still looking at the situation from his point of view, he has plenty of chips and has no need to risk this much on a hand like 99 or JJ or something.

I'd have to have some read that he is a maniac to call here. I'd almost guarantee AA or KK. It doesn't make sense to risk 2/3 of his stack when you cold hold something like AA or KK.

Edit: Oh yeah. What's with the weird PF raise. Make it t1500 or t1800 to go. t2100 is too much.

Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

Itook my entire time bank before calling and I decided that the level of players coupled with a huge overbet push and the fact I had ak made the possibility of aces or kings very remote. Oh and 3.5 bb is too much??

Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

your raise size is fine, pretty meaningless

some days i'll call here, some days i won't. Villain does this with AQ a lot i think (this is 3r or 5r right?), so it's just pretty read-dependent.

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I'm not calling off 40bbs pf with AKo

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Only a sith deals in absolutes.

Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

this one is so opponent dependent its hard to say, id call probably 60% of the time and the other 40% when i fold i would have to know this opponent is at least slightly more tight than the average opponent. Some players make this reraise as a way to protect a middle pair and at that stage in the tourney with those stack sizes im sure u would see that opponent turn over TT,JJ,QQ and AQ enough times to make the call right. On the other hand, if this is a particularly soft table and I have been grinding away at them, i might have to fold....

Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

Best case scenario for a call? Villain has AQ.

You are like 3:1 or so against AQ, any other hand you don't mind is a lower pair (TT-QQ) and you are a slight dog, and of course the disasters (AA-KK) you are pretty screwed.

I think AQ is a lot less likely than any of the other possible hands.

If you fold, you have 25k+ to your name and a lot of poker to play.

Easy fold.

Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

no reads = fold. this can easily be a call w/ a decent read, though.

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you should change your avatar to albert haynesworth

Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

I am suprised so many people say fold. First of all, this is the second hour of the $10 rebuy. Secondly, villain made a huge overbet, which is less likely to be a big pair. I think this is usually AK or JJ/QQ. I call this.

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I am suprised so many people say fold. First of all, this is the second hour of the $10 rebuy. Secondly, villain made a huge overbet, which is less likely to be a big pair. I think this is usually AK or JJ/QQ. I call this.

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we do not have the odds to call against a range of JJ/QQ/AK.

but thanks for stopping by.

Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

If your stack is &lt; 15000 chips its ok to call. With your stack its easy fold. You dont want to lose all this stack with &lt;50% at best. I think he has at least AK or QQ+ in this spot.


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1st hand at the table (no reads)

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t600 with t50 antes (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t16750)
UTG+1 (t36130)
Hero (t27593)
MP2 (t47670)
MP3 (t5900)
CO (t15940)
Button (t9840)
SB (t7775)
BB (t36268)

Preflop: Hero is in MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t2100</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to t36218 (All-in)</font>, Hero calls t25443 (All-in)

Flop: (t65111) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)


Turn: (t65111) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)


River: (t65111) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

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Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

Realize that with AKo it all depends. Sometimes, it's ok to gamble with your stack, even at these BBs, if you feel that the table is going to put a clinic on you and you aren't going to do well unless you have a monster. If you feel like gambling; if you're strategy is to build a monster off big coinflips and then steal from the smaller stacks afterwards, it would be OK. However, all in all, you raised from EP and you got pushed by BB, who you don't have a read on. + you have many, many BB. I'd fold.

A'

Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

If it was last night's, I chopped with 2 others, and pocketed 8.3K.

Sweet.

Oh, and fold. You gotta lotta playing left, why rush it?

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I am suprised so many people say fold. First of all, this is the second hour of the $10 rebuy. Secondly, villain made a huge overbet, which is less likely to be a big pair. I think this is usually AK or JJ/QQ. I call this.

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we do not have the odds to call against a range of JJ/QQ/AK.

but thanks for stopping by.

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This is why I said to fold. The odds just aren't good enough and I don't think this is AQ enough to merit a call.

Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

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I am suprised so many people say fold. First of all, this is the second hour of the $10 rebuy. Secondly, villain made a huge overbet, which is less likely to be a big pair. I think this is usually AK or JJ/QQ. I call this.

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we do not have the odds to call against a range of JJ/QQ/AK.

but thanks for stopping by.

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You are calling 25400 to win 30200, 1.19-1, putting in 45.6% of the money.

You are 45.9% against AK, JJ, QQ.

Obviously, there is a question of how often this is AQ or something and how often it is AA/KK. This is sort of a question of do I want to take an even gamble for all my chips. However, I think that in the 2nd hour of the 10 rebuy it is 2 high cards often enough to call.

Anyway, you do have odds against the JJ,QQ,AK. I appreciate your expertise with odds, and thanks for stopping by.


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

431,500,608 games 0.517 secs 834,624,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 45.8745 % 25.29% 20.58% { AKo }
Hand 2: 54.1255 % 33.54% 20.58% { QQ-JJ, AKs, AKo }


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Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

Meh, I can't blame anyone either way in this spot.

Myself, even if I knew for fact it was dead even money, I'd still fold. Poker is a SKILL game, when you play it right. You call here, you're letting the cards decide for you, when you still have plenty of chips to play with. If you're out of your league in the tourney, fine, gamble. But I'm not putting all my chips in (to call at least) unless I think I'm dominating my opponent most of the time. I just don't see the value otherwise.

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I am suprised so many people say fold. First of all, this is the second hour of the $10 rebuy. Secondly, villain made a huge overbet, which is less likely to be a big pair. I think this is usually AK or JJ/QQ. I call this.

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we do not have the odds to call against a range of JJ/QQ/AK.

but thanks for stopping by.

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You are calling 25400 to win 30200, 1.19-1, putting in 45.6% of the money.

You are 45.9% against AK, JJ, QQ.

Obviously, there is a question of how often this is AQ or something and how often it is AA/KK. This is sort of a question of do I want to take an even gamble for all my chips. However, I think that in the 2nd hour of the 10 rebuy it is 2 high cards often enough to call.

Anyway, you do have odds against the JJ,QQ,AK. I appreciate your expertise with odds, and thanks for stopping by.


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

431,500,608 games 0.517 secs 834,624,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 45.8745 % 25.29% 20.58% { AKo }
Hand 2: 54.1255 % 33.54% 20.58% { QQ-JJ, AKs, AKo }


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OMG a .3% edge! WTF? I am all for pushing are small edges but this is too far. In a buy-in this low, my edge over the field is better than .3%. Does this .3% take into account the rake? I don't think it does. I'm all for passing on this edge and finding a better spot (say 55/45).

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I am suprised so many people say fold. First of all, this is the second hour of the $10 rebuy. Secondly, villain made a huge overbet, which is less likely to be a big pair. I think this is usually AK or JJ/QQ. I call this.

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It's a rare case, but I actually agree with this...

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I am suprised so many people say fold. First of all, this is the second hour of the $10 rebuy. Secondly, villain made a huge overbet, which is less likely to be a big pair. I think this is usually AK or JJ/QQ. I call this.

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we do not have the odds to call against a range of JJ/QQ/AK.

but thanks for stopping by.

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You are calling 25400 to win 30200, 1.19-1, putting in 45.6% of the money.

You are 45.9% against AK, JJ, QQ.

Obviously, there is a question of how often this is AQ or something and how often it is AA/KK. This is sort of a question of do I want to take an even gamble for all my chips. However, I think that in the 2nd hour of the 10 rebuy it is 2 high cards often enough to call.

Anyway, you do have odds against the JJ,QQ,AK. I appreciate your expertise with odds, and thanks for stopping by.


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

431,500,608 games 0.517 secs 834,624,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 45.8745 % 25.29% 20.58% { AKo }
Hand 2: 54.1255 % 33.54% 20.58% { QQ-JJ, AKs, AKo }


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OMG a .3% edge! WTF? I am all for pushing are small edges but this is too far. In a buy-in this low, my edge over the field is better than .3%. Does this .3% take into account the rake? I don't think it does. I'm all for passing on this edge and finding a better spot (say 55/45).

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You have a .3% edge if villain always does this with JJ/QQ/AK and nothing else. People were acting like I was an idiot and saying you don't have odds to call against that range, so I was showing that you do.

However, this is the 2nd hour of the $10 rebuy. Villain just made an overbet push at an early position raiser. What do you put him on? This is AQ a lot and all sorts of other junk. Against a good player, this is a fold, but what does that have to do with the situation.

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I am suprised so many people say fold. First of all, this is the second hour of the $10 rebuy. Secondly, villain made a huge overbet, which is less likely to be a big pair. I think this is usually AK or JJ/QQ. I call this.

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we do not have the odds to call against a range of JJ/QQ/AK.

but thanks for stopping by.

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You are calling 25400 to win 30200, 1.19-1, putting in 45.6% of the money.

You are 45.9% against AK, JJ, QQ.

Obviously, there is a question of how often this is AQ or something and how often it is AA/KK. This is sort of a question of do I want to take an even gamble for all my chips. However, I think that in the 2nd hour of the 10 rebuy it is 2 high cards often enough to call.

Anyway, you do have odds against the JJ,QQ,AK. I appreciate your expertise with odds, and thanks for stopping by.


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

431,500,608 games 0.517 secs 834,624,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 45.8745 % 25.29% 20.58% { AKo }
Hand 2: 54.1255 % 33.54% 20.58% { QQ-JJ, AKs, AKo }


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OMG a .3% edge! WTF? I am all for pushing are small edges but this is too far. In a buy-in this low, my edge over the field is better than .3%. Does this .3% take into account the rake? I don't think it does. I'm all for passing on this edge and finding a better spot (say 55/45).

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You have a .3% edge if villain always does this with JJ/QQ/AK and nothing else. People were acting like I was an idiot and saying you don't have odds to call against that range, so I was showing that you do.

However, this is the 2nd hour of the $10 rebuy. Villain just made an overbet push at an early position raiser. What do you put him on? This is AQ a lot and all sorts of other junk. Against a good player, this is a fold, but what does that have to do with the situation.

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Okay, I don't play re-buys and never have. I have heard that many people don't adjust to the end of the rebuy which is essentially what you are saying may be going on here. This essentially comes down to hand ranges. Against JJ+,AK we obviously can't call. We throw in AQ and it's much closer. I don't know. I just think we can find a much better spot. You'd have to agree that a .3% edge isn't worth pushing.

FWIW - I probabaly call this in the heat of the moment b/c I'm a station who can't fold AK.

edit: i can't spell.

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I am suprised so many people say fold. First of all, this is the second hour of the $10 rebuy. Secondly, villain made a huge overbet, which is less likely to be a big pair. I think this is usually AK or JJ/QQ. I call this.

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we do not have the odds to call against a range of JJ/QQ/AK.

but thanks for stopping by.

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You are calling 25400 to win 30200, 1.19-1, putting in 45.6% of the money.

You are 45.9% against AK, JJ, QQ.

Obviously, there is a question of how often this is AQ or something and how often it is AA/KK. This is sort of a question of do I want to take an even gamble for all my chips. However, I think that in the 2nd hour of the 10 rebuy it is 2 high cards often enough to call.

Anyway, you do have odds against the JJ,QQ,AK. I appreciate your expertise with odds, and thanks for stopping by.


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

431,500,608 games 0.517 secs 834,624,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 45.8745 % 25.29% 20.58% { AKo }
Hand 2: 54.1255 % 33.54% 20.58% { QQ-JJ, AKs, AKo }


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OMG a .3% edge! WTF? I am all for pushing are small edges but this is too far. In a buy-in this low, my edge over the field is better than .3%. Does this .3% take into account the rake? I don't think it does. I'm all for passing on this edge and finding a better spot (say 55/45).

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You have a .3% edge if villain always does this with JJ/QQ/AK and nothing else. People were acting like I was an idiot and saying you don't have odds to call against that range, so I was showing that you do.

However, this is the 2nd hour of the $10 rebuy. Villain just made an overbet push at an early position raiser. What do you put him on? This is AQ a lot and all sorts of other junk. Against a good player, this is a fold, but what does that have to do with the situation.

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Okay, I don't play re-buys and never have. I have heard that many people don't adjust to the end of the rebuy which is essentially what you are saying may be going on here. This essentially comes down to hand ranges. Against JJ+,AK we obviously can't call. We throw in AQ and it's much closer. I don't know. I just think we can find a much better spot. You'd have to agree that a .3% edge isn't worth pushing.

FWIW - I probabaly call this in the heat of the moment b/c I'm a station who can't fold AK.

edit: i can't spell.

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OK, you don't play rebuys. I think the loose play early in the $10 rebuy is very relevant to whether to call an overbet push. If you haven't played in the $10 rebuy, I can't see how you can evaluate villain's range.

The .3% edge assumes just JJ/QQ/AK. Obviously some AA/KKs make it unfavorable, but that is balanced by some AQs. As I say, there is to big a loose donk factor in this stage of the $10 rebuy.

If it is essentially an even gamble, I am not sure why people are saying that makes it a fold. It depends on the tournament situation whether it is advantagous to gamble.

In any case, I think this is much better than an even gamble.

Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

Super easy call. God sakes ppl you need like half a million in chips for final table. Get some balls and try to build a stack. You realize how rare it is to get ALL of your money in as a 60/40 80/20. He almost never has AA/KK here, so take a coin flip and if you lose, whatever just open up another table.

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No, it's really not. It's a huge field and you need every edge you can get. A double up here will also give you the table chip lead, which is a major advantage to acquiring more chips.

FFS people he's only like 45BB deep. This isn't a "deep stacked" situation.

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In a buy-in this low, my edge over the field is better than .3%. Does this .3% take into account the rake? I don't think it does. I'm all for passing on this edge and finding a better spot (say 55/45).

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People who pass edges to take better spots seem to not understand that
1)The better spots don't always come up
2)By passing on the first spot, you have fewer chips with which to apply your theoretical better edge, should it come around.

You should be taking AS MANY GOOD SPOTS AS POSSIBLE IN A TOURNAMENT if your intent is to win it.

I don't know what I would do in the given situation, personally, but that's only because I haven't played one of these events in awhile. Betgo has provided the best analysis of anyone in this thread.

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Yeah.. betgo won this thread hands down.

Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

So are we essentially saying never fold AK preflop?

I mean, our pot odds are terrible and we have determined that our edge is .3% against a range of JJ,QQ,&amp; AK (which i don't think is his range). Let's get a practical range of hands for our villain (someone else b/c my lack of experience with rebuys clearly makes my hand range way off) and compute our equity against it.

I am still not convinced that we have an edge here, but I am more than willing to accept it if someone can convince me otherwise.

Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

Nath,

We still have an M of 24 if we fold. It's a $10 tournament right? I am quite confident that with and M of 24, right after the rebuy period, in a 10$ tournament we can find better spots. They will come up.

Maybe they won't in a bigger tournament with stiff competition, but they will here. This is all assuming our edge is actually .3%. With a better range than JJ/QQ/AK our edge is certainly different.

Anyhow, if our M were lower or our edge was bigger, I'd take the shot here b/c we might not get to see a spot like this again as you pointed out. I am so sure that we will see one, that I can pass on this one here.

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Someone said earlier "against a thinking player" and there was something else saying "if he's any good" Tell me what reasonable thinking player makes a HU 18x shove? This is a 10r, we are dealing with a non thinking player who doesnt want to play his cards or a thinking player who wants us to think he doesnt want to play his cards. This is very rarely AA or KK, we're looking at ATs+ AQo+ 22-JJ most of the time here, unless you have a read that would suggest he would do this with premium. ALOT of times in these rebuys people are looking to race with mid to small pairs and such because they want to double.

As for what you should do I think either way is fine, if you dont have much of a read I may lean slightly towards folding since your stack is fine now but theres nothing wrong with calling either I dont think. If you have a read that he's sorta standard rebuy player I would lean more towards calling, you're a couple of levels away from feeling pressure and this could definitely be a great spot to pick up a ton of chips.

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We still have an M of 24 if we fold. It's a $10 tournament right? I am quite confident that with and M of 24, right after the rebuy period, in a 10$ tournament we can find better spots. They will come up.



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It's not a $10 tournament. It is more like a $60 tournament.

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Someone said earlier "against a thinking player" and there was something else saying "if he's any good" Tell me what reasonable thinking player makes a HU 18x shove? This is a 10r, we are dealing with a non thinking player who doesnt want to play his cards or a thinking player who wants us to think he doesnt want to play his cards. This is very rarely AA or KK, we're looking at ATs+ AQo+ 22-JJ most of the time here, unless you have a read that would suggest he would do this with premium. ALOT of times in these rebuys people are looking to race with mid to small pairs and such because they want to double.

As for what you should do I think either way is fine, if you dont have much of a read I may lean slightly towards folding since your stack is fine now but theres nothing wrong with calling either I dont think. If you have a read that he's sorta standard rebuy player I would lean more towards calling, you're a couple of levels away from feeling pressure and this could definitely be a great spot to pick up a ton of chips.

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You say this is 22-JJ, ATs+, AQ+, but you can fold AKo?????
Wait for a better oportunity????

I think it could be a donk with that range. However, AK, QQ-JJ is about all that makes sense. Also, AA/KK is not impossible, since the early position raiser will probably call with 88+, AK (and you probably are raising in that range most of the time), figuring it is AK/AQ, a middle pp or a maniac.

It seems like you are well ahead of pot odds gainst villain's range, so call and hope for the best.

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I fold it, but can't really fault a call.
I fold since I don't see anyway he has AQ or worse.
You are probably racing, and he could have KK.

If I raised from MP3 or later, I would call.

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We still have an M of 24 if we fold. It's a $10 tournament right? I am quite confident that with and M of 24, right after the rebuy period, in a 10$ tournament we can find better spots. They will come up.



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It's not a $10 tournament. It is more like a $60 tournament.

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Good point. I think I am going to forbid myself from taking part in any rebuy discussions.

Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

I hate to post a bad beat, but for all you weak/tighties for would fold here, this is my bust out hand form tonight's $10 rebuy. See you can't assume your oppoments are playing rationally and there are a lot of loose allins.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB (t11360)
UTG (t11825)
UTG+1 (t15415)
Hero (t10935)
MP2 (t63449)
MP3 (t10150)
CO (t6800)
Button (t12225)
SB (t17690)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t1000</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls t800, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t10935</font>, MP2 folds, BB calls t9935.

Flop: (t22970) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t22970) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t22970) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t22970

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Ac Jh (three of a kind, jacks).
Hero has Kh Ah (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins t22970. </font>

Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

nobody is folding preflop in your hand.

Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

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I hate to post a bad beat, but for all you weak/tighties for would fold here, this is my bust out hand form tonight's $10 rebuy. See you can't assume your oppoments are playing rationally and there are a lot of loose allins.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB (t11360)
UTG (t11825)
UTG+1 (t15415)
Hero (t10935)
MP2 (t63449)
MP3 (t10150)
CO (t6800)
Button (t12225)
SB (t17690)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t1000</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls t800, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t10935</font>, MP2 folds, BB calls t9935.

Flop: (t22970) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t22970) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t22970) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t22970

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Ac Jh (three of a kind, jacks).
Hero has Kh Ah (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins t22970. </font>

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I'd argue our edge is much bigger in this hand than in the other one (especially given that we are pushing and not calling).

Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

Eric, since you can't really respond....

Betgo is on the right.

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Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)
 

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I hate to post a bad beat, but for all you weak/tighties for would fold here, this is my bust out hand form tonight's $10 rebuy. See you can't assume your oppoments are playing rationally and there are a lot of loose allins.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB (t11360)
UTG (t11825)
UTG+1 (t15415)
Hero (t10935)
MP2 (t63449)
MP3 (t10150)
CO (t6800)
Button (t12225)
SB (t17690)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t1000</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls t800, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t10935</font>, MP2 folds, BB calls t9935.

Flop: (t22970) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t22970) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t22970) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t22970

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Ac Jh (three of a kind, jacks).
Hero has Kh Ah (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins t22970. </font>

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I'd argue our edge is much bigger in this hand than in the other one (especially given that we are pushing and not calling).

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I know my edge is much bigger in this hand. My point is look at how this donk called my 4-bet allin with AJ. You can't assume an allin in the 2nd hour of the $10 rebuy is a big hand.