JJ river call or raise?
 

Opponent is 40/9/0.6. Do I need to call or raise the river?

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Preflop: Peter is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Peter raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Peter bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Peter bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (5.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>,

Re: JJ river call or raise?
 

It took some thinking, but I say raise. 40's not loose enough that he's going to call you with any T6 or T4 PF, and I don't think he's passive enough not to raise TT at some point. Also, this is a really, really odd line for a 3, and I doubt that he has that either. This looks like either AT or T7. I suppose that an oddly played 65 is a possibility, but I think you're ahead more often than not.

Re: JJ river call or raise?
 

His hand looks like a 3 that is getting tricky for some reason.

Re: JJ river call or raise?
 

I call expecting to loose frequently. A player this passive does not donk 1p hands that often.

Re: JJ river call or raise?
 

But wouldn't this be one of those boards that will get donked by one pair hands because of the lack of high cards?

Re: JJ river call or raise?
 

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But wouldn't this be one of those boards that will get donked by one pair hands because of the lack of high cards?

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Yeah I guess but a lot of times players like this will turn the straight and not know what to do so they just call. Then the river comes and they are like "omg i have to bet, what id HE checks!"

Re: JJ river call or raise?
 

I would be suspicious of the 3. I dont like when passive players bet into me. They usualy have a great hand , a good hand or a bluff. Very rarely they bet mediocre hands.

The question is , do our good hand beat his good hand?

Remember players, a pair is only a pair.

Any comments?

Good variance

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I would be suspicious of the 3. I dont like when passive players bet into me. They usualy have a great hand , a good hand or a bluff. Very rarely they bet mediocre hands.



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Vague? What are you characterizing as great, good, mediocre?

Re: JJ river call or raise?
 

I would probably just call. He's either bluffing and you won't get any more money. If he isn't bluffing he has to have a T to get any more money when ahead. Any other hand will call or 3-bet and you will lose. So only if he has a T you miss one bet.

I can't think of many hands that will have a T so IMO the chance of winning one more BB are way to small to make a raise +EV.

Thanks,

Guido

Re: JJ river call or raise?
 

Would definitely raise this. This looks like a river donk with a weak pair that he thinks is "protected" because the board looks scary. Fold to 3 bet is fine...unless you have no clue who he is or if you know he's capable of being crazy.

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Would definitely raise this. This looks like a river donk with a weak pair that he thinks is "protected" because the board looks scary. Fold to 3 bet is fine...unless you have no clue who he is or if you know he's capable of being crazy.

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I really think that if you can't fold to the 3bet you should not raise this.

Re: JJ river call or raise?
 

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Would definitely raise this. This looks like a river donk with a weak pair that he thinks is "protected" because the board looks scary. Fold to 3 bet is fine...unless you have no clue who he is or if you know he's capable of being crazy.

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qft

Re: JJ river call or raise?
 

Against this opponent folding to a 3bet is pretty automatic I think.

FWIW, I called and opponent showed ATs.

Re: JJ river call or raise?
 

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Opponent is 40/9/0.6.

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BlahBlah, Meow, Chow, King Friday....this doesn't mean anything nor can anyone interpet anything from it. How many hands? Have you played with him before? What are you notes on him? Is he playing well today? Is he tilty?

Against most opponents is looks like a desparation bet, a hand like A6, or a weak Ten and you should be raising.

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Opponent is 40/9/0.6.

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BlahBlah, Meow, Chow, King Friday....this doesn't mean anything nor can anyone interpet anything from it. How many hands? Have you played with him before? What are you notes on him? Is he playing well today? Is he tilty?

Against most opponents is looks like a desparation bet, a hand like A6, or a weak Ten and you should be raising.

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If they take you to 3meow do you always fold?

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I would be suspicious of the 3. I dont like when passive players bet into me. They usualy have a great hand , a good hand or a bluff. Very rarely they bet mediocre hands.



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Vague? What are you characterizing as great, good, mediocre?

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Great- a 3
Good - Top pair, 2 pair
mediocre - 2.nd pair
But thats only my guess.

Re: JJ river call or raise?
 

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If they take you to 3meow do you always fold?

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No, not always.

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Opponent is 40/9/0.6.

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BlahBlah, Meow, Chow, King Friday....this doesn't mean anything nor can anyone interpet anything from it. How many hands? Have you played with him before? What are you notes on him? Is he playing well today? Is he tilty?


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Plays a little to many hands, doesn't raise much preflop and is pretty passive overall... Isn't that pretty much what can be concluded from the stats? Any notes would have been posted.

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If they take you to 3meow do you always fold?

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No, not always.

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BlahBlah, Meow, Chow, King Friday....We can learn nothing from this. When do you not fold and why?

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BlahBlah, Meow, Chow, King Friday....We can learn nothing from this. When do you not fold and why?

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No read, no answer. Given the passive-opponent description you added, I would fold to a 3-bet as players like this never put such action in with a hand that beats you.

Re: JJ river call or raise?
 

I basically meant to ask: can you give some possible reads that would make you call a 3bet?