Copags fading?
 

Anyone have a problem with Copags fading? I bought a set of copags about a year and a half ago and the numbers on the cards are fading. also the back of the cards are a little faded too.

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Yes. I purchased a deck of "signature" copags. They don't seem to make them any more. The "Copag" name is on the back of the deck. When I was shopping for them over a year ago, I read somewhere that they were the best that Copag made; that they did not bend or bow. Well, they have not bent or bowed, but the faces are fading and the border of the design on the back is fading away. It rubs off. They also are very slick on the table. They slide all over the place.

I play on my dining room table, which is cherry wood. I don't use any kind of felt table cloth. I thought it might have something to do with the table top that I play on. But I've read other posts here and on other message boards from people complaining about copags fading. My blue deck has faded much more than the red.

Someone suggested contacting Copag to see if the company will replace it.

I guess there is a reason that KEM costs more. I also purchased a deck of Del Negros.

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Just this weekend I was playing with my favorite deck of Copags and one of the other players notice the color from the face cards was bleeding through to the back.
I never noticed it but when we looked at all of them there was a large number doing the same thing on 2 decks.

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Just this weekend I was playing with my favorite deck of Copags and one of the other players notice the color from the face cards was bleeding through to the back.
I never noticed it but when we looked at all of them there was a large number doing the same thing on 2 decks.

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I had a bad run in the last two months and ruined six decks of copags by leaving them in my car on hot days.

On some, the face cards bled through as you described and on others they warped into oblivion.

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Yeah, I have had a few sets up Copags in the past, they all faded at some point. Not sure if its the matte finish or what. Next time I'll probably just pay the extra cash and get the KEMs. They seem to hold up a little better.

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Whenever I go to a casino that uses Copags I always notice a lot more fading than ones that use Kems.

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So this happens to all Copags or just certain types? I have the blue/red decks with jumbo index. Also i agree with the sliding, often times i play on a table without felt and it gets annoying, less a problem with Kems or other brands?

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I had Kems before Copags and they fade over time as well. In my experience, Kems fade at the same rate as Copags.

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I've never had Copags, but I have some Kems, and the faces of those are fading badly. I'm going on about 2 1/2 years of playing weekly with them.
I was planning on getting Copags next to see how they held up instead.

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yea, the black on my 4-color decks are fading. time for a new set.

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I've never had Copags, but I have some Kems, and the faces of those are fading badly. I'm going on about 2 1/2 years of playing weekly with them...

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What about the Kems AND SLIDING? DO THEY SLID AS BAD AS THE COPEGS?

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What about the Kems AND SLIDING? DO THEY SLID AS BAD AS THE COPEGS?

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WHY ARE WE YELLING? I don't know about the USPC Kems. The old Kardwell Kems didn't slide as much, they glided.

But anyone using good plastic cards shouldn't play on hard surfaces anyway.

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But anyone using good plastic cards shouldn't play on hard surfaces anyway.


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Well, not everyone can afford to purchase a nice table. Others don't have room for one. And I refuse to play on those crappy felt and plastic table top things. So I use plastic, and buy a new deck if they get ruined. Just can't play with paper cards.

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But anyone using good plastic cards shouldn't play on hard surfaces anyway.


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Well, not everyone can afford to purchase a nice table. Others don't have room for one. And I refuse to play on those crappy felt and plastic table top things. So I use plastic, and buy a new deck if they get ruined. Just can't play with paper cards.

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Just buy a decent blanket. We use a velour type one. And then we use small clips to keep it in place. Depending on the blanket, it pretty nearly mimics a nice poker table without the cost. I couldn't imagine playing on a hard surface. It'd be such a pain picking the cards up each time.

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But anyone using good plastic cards shouldn't play on hard surfaces anyway.


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Well, not everyone can afford to purchase a nice table. Others don't have room for one. So I use plastic, and buy a new deck if they get ruined. Just can't play with paper cards.

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Would I steer you to making huge purchases of equipment?? C'mon, EF! You can get foam and cheap felt, or speed cloth to put on top instead of the felt, at Johanna's Fabrics or other such stores.

If your normal table has a ledge/rim underneath, or you use a folding table with round metal legs, a few 1" metal C clamps holds it in place nicely and works great! BELIEVE me, that small investment earns HUGE returns on playability, especially trying to pick up cards and chips.

"And I refuse to play on those crappy felt and plastic table top things."

Amen, though I've done it (and used one when all of our regular tables overflowed) when necessary.

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Get one of these.
They are ugly as hell but work great and are on sale.
I have a bunch of the oval and round all green ones and everyone loves them when we have to use them.
To bad they discontinued those last year.
http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/sr=...asin=B000AEVACS

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You can get foam and cheap felt, or speed cloth to put on top instead of the felt, at Johanna's Fabrics or other such stores.


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The foam and cloth are separate? I would buy a piece of foam the size of my table top and then put the speed cloth over it and secure it as you suggest?

Do you think this would work?

Someone else recommended something called headliner fabric, which is soft fabric with a foam backing.

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"The foam and cloth are separate? I would buy a piece of foam the size of my table top and then put the speed cloth over it and secure it as you suggest?"

Yes, separate. I use that setup for:

A picnic table

A folding table with hard plastic top

A wooden 8' dining room table

I haven't ever used the drawstring table tops. Aren't they limited in size? I haven't seen the headliner in use.

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My dining table, fully extended, is 108" x 31", so I'll give it a try.

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My dining table, fully extended, is 108" x 31", so I'll give it a try.

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Here's some tips for you:

Measure your table WITH AN OVERAGE. Using clamps to "lock down" the felt and foam make for a much better playing condition.

I) If you're on a fancy dining wooden table, see how thick the support boards are underneath. If you can clamp to them, then have the width and ends of the foam and felt go 2" BEYOND that point (so you can clamp securely). Think of a big "C" shape, wrapping over the table edge and around the support wood piece.

Even if you just secure it at the ends (foam and felt) and can clamp the sides of the felt (foam not wide enough), it should be firmly enough in place to use.

II) If you're using one of those 9' poly table with folding legs, get enough overage at the ends to clamp to the legs (or the supports binding the legs) and hold it securely that way.

Good luck, hope you like the setup.

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I gotcha. And you're saying that the foam pad should also be secured? I had just thought you put the pad the size of the table and clamp the felt alone to the underneath support. But it sounds like you're saying that the foam and the cloth both get clamped. Is that correct?