Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair
 

This is my first hand post, so sorry if I screw something up. I am curious about the turn and especially my river bet. Villian is 22/15 over only 27 hands(no read). Any advice?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
[color=#666666]5 folds</font>, MP3 calls, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif [color=#0000FF](4 players)</font>
SB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets</font>, MP3 folds, Button folds, [color=#CC3333]SB raises</font>, [color=#CC3333]Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
SB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

River: (7 BB) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
SB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Re: Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair
 

whenyou conver the hand chose the formatt of 2+2 instead of codes

i think you played this hand fine... a river check would be ok, but with no reads this is best IMO

Re: Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair
 

i like it. river bet is a must, if he c/r, I'd probably fold.

Another line I take here, is since you don't have to worry about protecting your hand on teh flop after everyone folds, and the SB 3bets, is this.

call the 3bet, and raise the turn if it's not a K.

Re: Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair
 

Looks standard.

Haupt_234

Re: Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair
 

I like it. When Villain doesn't raise you on the turn, he's almost always on a lone K here.

Another line that can work well when in position like you are here is to just call the raise and then raise the turn card. This is best if you know he'll autobet the turn. Without many hands against him though, I think either line is fine.

Excellent river bet!

Re: Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair
 

You will win flopping 2 pair 70% of the time. When you lose it's a heart breaker.

Typically when you lose it's to a straight because you are playing cards close to each other which means there is a straight.

Re: Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair
 

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Excellent river bet!

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If on the flop villain had just check/called, would you still advocate the river bet?

Re: Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair
 

I don't like the idea of just calling and then raising the turn. There are highly plausible flush and straight draws out there so I want to get as much money in on the flop as possible. Plus, bottom two is an extremely vulnerable holding even without the draws out there. If the board was less coordinated or our hand is less vulnerable, I'd agree that the flop call/turn raise line is a good one for getting a little extra in there. It's pretty clear that his most likely holding is a naked king, so keep puming it until you have a reason not to.

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I don't like the idea of just calling and then raising the turn. There are highly plausible flush and straight draws out there so I want to get as much money in on the flop as possible. Plus, bottom two is an extremely vulnerable holding even without the draws out there. If the board was less coordinated or our hand is less vulnerable, I'd agree that the flop call/turn raise line is a good one for getting a little extra in there. It's pretty clear that his most likely holding is a naked king, so keep puming it until you have a reason not to.

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That's why I put in there "if he'll autobet the turn" Some opponents you just know that they'll follow up with a turn bet if you just call the flop checkraise, regardless of whether or not they raised the flop with a made hand or a draw. Against such an opponent, they are getting to the river anyway, and putting in bets on their own accord to do it, and the smooth call/raise the turn line charges them a bit more.

But only if you know he's following up with a turn bet almost all the time!

Re: Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair
 

I still disagree with it, even with the autobet. You need to pump as much in there on this flop as you can regardless of his turn tendencies.

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I still disagree with it, even with the autobet. You need to pump as much in there on this flop as you can regardless of his turn tendencies.

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Some opponents that you play regularly against, you just get to know them. In this case, I know that some of the regulars I play will do one of two things virtually ALL the time: either go into call down mode to my 3bet, or lead the turn if I don't reraise their flop checkraise.

When I'm 99% sure that I can squeeze out an extra half bet with a different line when I'm also very sure that I'm ahead, then it's an easy play to make.

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I think you are missing my point. If he's on a draw, you have to make him pay now, not later, because "later" could be him hitting the draw. For instance, what happens if you just call and then he leads out when a flush card hits? That extra small bet isn't worth not making him pay for his draw if that's what he has. As I said before, if the board is less draw-friendly, I'd agree with you completely, and in fact I'd probably play it that way most of the time in this situation.

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I think you are missing my point. If he's on a draw, you have to make him pay now, not later, because "later" could be him hitting the draw. For instance, what happens if you just call and then he leads out when a flush card hits? That extra small bet isn't worth not making him pay for his draw if that's what he has. As I said before, if the board is less draw-friendly, I'd agree with you completely, and in fact I'd probably play it that way most of the time in this situation.

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Well, if I just call, and he leads out when the flush card hits, I can decide to raise or call down depending on my read.

But here's the thing, later is only going to be him hitting his draw 20% of the time. 80% of the time he'll miss. And when he misses, his equity goes way down.

So I can charge him that extra small bet on the flop when his equity is 35% (meaning I profit 0.3 small bets) or I can charge him an extra big bet on the turn when his equity drops to 20% (meaning I profit 0.6 big bets)

Looks like waiting is 4 times more profitable. If I know he'll autobet the turn, seems like an easy decision.

Re: Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair
 

I'll run the numbers on this later and post what I find out. I still think you are better off getting more in on the flop than the turn, but I'll let the math speak for itself.

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i like it. river bet is a must, if he c/r, I'd probably fold.


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I wouldn't fold the river to a single bet. The checkraise bluff is utilized far too often in low limits to be respected in a pot of this size.