Jackpot or not
 

Heard something about this the other night and wanted to hear some thoughts on this in general.

BBJ qualifier is quads or better beaten, both cards must play.

So the final boards reads something like...

J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

One guy has JJ for JJJJ and the other guy has A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] for the royal.

Is there a jackpot?

If it is a jackpot, does the winning hand qualify for the "winners share"?

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Hint: "Both cards must play" means that both cards must play.

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both cards must play.

J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

has A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] for the royal.

Is there a jackpot?

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The five of spades doesn't play, no jackpot.

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Like the others said.. .every room I've played in, both the loser's AND the winner's hole cards have to play.

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If it is a jackpot, does the winning hand qualify for the "winners share"?

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Also, while this question is obviously being avoided, if in some room this WERE a jackpot, then yes of course the winning hand would be involved in the "winner's share", if there were one. If it weren't that would be one screwy BBJ payoff.

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Like the others said.. .every room I've played in, both the loser's AND the winner's hole cards have to play.

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I've seen the rule where kickers counterfeit if on the board (4 queens with board showing QQQAx, hole cards AQ) or "must have pocket pair for quads to be eligible".

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Not a jackpot. The 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] doesn't play. Pretty clear I think.

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Now for the twist...

A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] does not qualify for a jackpot, but JJ does. JJJJ beaten by royal flush. So one hand qualifies.

Just to speed things along a little.

The floor and cardroom supervisor agrees that there is indeed a jackpot qualifier.

The normal payout structure is 50% to the beaten hand, 25% to the winning hand, 15% to the table, and 10% to all seated players.

Does the winning hand get 25% or something else? If something else which share, the table or the floor share?

Who gets fired by the cardroom management?

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There's no jackpot unless both hands qualify.

Fire anyone who thinks this is a jackpot.

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Who gets fired by the cardroom management?

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If you play your cards right you can pay out a jackpot that isn't and then get to be the director of poker operations for one of the largest rooms on the east coast (for the same company).

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So the final boards reads something like...

J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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With that board there is no possible jackpot.

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BBJ qualifier is quads or better beaten, both cards must play.

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Normally this should say "both cards in both hands must play." As that is written someone could aruge it means both cards in the losing hand must play.

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So the final boards reads something like...

J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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With that board there is no possible jackpot.

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Yes there is. Assuming strict rules of both cards must play in both hands...

(JJ)JJ vs (89)JTQ str8 flush.

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Who gets fired by the cardroom management?

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If you play your cards right you can pay out a jackpot that isn't and then get to be the director of poker operations for one of the largest rooms on the east coast (for the same company).

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LMAO! So I guess there are some rehiring and some promotions coming soon.

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Yes there is. Assuming strict rules of both cards must play in both hands...

(JJ)JJ vs (89)JTQ str8 flush.

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Nope, the eight doesn't play.
It's a king high straight flush.

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Yes there is. Assuming strict rules of both cards must play in both hands...

(JJ)JJ vs (89)JTQ str8 flush.

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Nope, the eight doesn't play.
It's a king high straight flush.

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Yep you're right, I need something to wake me up the AM. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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No, he only played one card; therefore, there is no jackpot.

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No, he only played one card; therefore, there is no jackpot.

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Wow, thank god you finally pointed this out becasue none of the 15 posts before yours said anything of the sort.

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Actually if he had 89 spades I think youd have a case. Why couldnt you opt to play the lower straight flush?

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No.

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Actually if he had 89 spades I think youd have a case. Why couldnt you opt to play the lower straight flush?

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Because the card read themselves, and when cards read themselves they don't like to sell themselves short.

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Actually if he had 89 spades I think youd have a case. Why couldnt you opt to play the lower straight flush?

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speechless

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Quick point I don't think was mentioned yet (hate to commit a double mention crime [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]).

In "aces full beaten by four of a kind (kickers) must play" type jackpots kickers that tie the board usually count as a jackpot. Example:

Player A: AJ

Player B: QQ

Board: A-A-A-5-J

This is a jackpot in most LA clubs

~ Rick

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Yes there is. Assuming strict rules of both cards must play in both hands...

(JJ)JJ vs (89)JTQ str8 flush.

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Nope, the eight doesn't play.
It's a king high straight flush.

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A hand like this was posted in BBV a couple of months ago, where a 2+2er was one of the two principals in a Party Jackpot hand featuring an (89)TJQ turned straight flush vs. quads, only to have the K of flush appear on the river, killing the jackpot.

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Results:

The floor and supervisor ruled that there was a jackpot with the JJJJ beaten, the loser was awarded 50%. Floor then ruled that the royal was a high hand and worth a spin and a table share, but not the winners share. Winners share was rolled back into the BBJ fund, supervisor was "let go", floor was written up along with the cardroom manager.

Aint live poker fun(ny)!

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Results:

The floor and supervisor ruled that there was a jackpot with the JJJJ beaten, the loser was awarded 50%. Floor then ruled that the royal was a high hand and worth a spin and a table share, but not the winners share. Winners share was rolled back into the BBJ fund, supervisor was "let go", floor was written up along with the cardroom manager.

Aint live poker fun(ny)!

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What have the floor and supervisor been smoking?

Guy with the four jacks a friend of theirs?

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The normal payout structure is 50% to the beaten hand, 25% to the winning hand, 15% to the table, and 10% to all seated players.


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What is the difference between the "table" and the "seated players?"

Did the winning player try to claim his fair share after the casino management stepped in and fired the floor supervisor?

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the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] doesn't play. the 5 may or may not (I'll have to do more research).

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What is the difference between the "table" and the "seated players?"


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The "seated players" are all players currently playing in the room. The "table" is just the table's players.

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Oh yeah? So everyone in the room gets a piece? Is that standard?