C-bet percentage question
 

What percent of the time do you bet this flop (this is from a Speed 33)? 80%? More?

PartyPoker Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t4264)
UTG+1 (t1475)
MP1 (t1278)
MP2 (t3390)
MP3 (t1885)
Hero (t1910)
Button (t1478)
SB (t2180)
BB (t2140)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, UTG+1 calls t100, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t350</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, UTG+1 calls t250

Flop: (t700) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks

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Closer to 100%. Can't gain any information with a check.

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I lawerned new secret trick against random pepole. You can bet extremely small amount and they fold a lot. I keep doing it with monsters, raising PF...pot has 900 in it, I bet 200 into 2 opponents and they both instafold. Happened to me over and over, so I figure you may as well do it 100% of the time in spots like this against random opponents. I mean at absolute worst bet 200 and see what happens, there is almost no chance that they don't fold enough to make it a +EV bet.

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Against random people I do it 100% of the time, and almost always make it 1/2 pot. I was interested in curtains comment. Could a smaller amount be better? An interesting thought.

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FWIW I HAVE been betting 100% here against a random. Just didn't feel right.

I definitely will try the smaller bet thing out. It sucks when it feels like I get check-raised half of the time and then I'm left with half of my stack.

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Turn it around now. If you are UTG-1 and CO just put a $200 bet into a $850 pot, what is your range?

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Unless I have some sort of read, I'm almost always throwing a bet out here when I'm in position.

I'm a little less enthusiastic about what to do in this spot when we are in early position and we get called from the CO/Button. Thoughts?

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100% of the time... it is actually not too bad a flop as long as he didn't hit a queen. In a cash game I would say bet 3/4 the pot. In a sit and go bet closer to 1/2 the pot.

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I lawerned new secret trick against random pepole. You can bet extremely small amount and they fold a lot. I keep doing it with monsters, raising PF...pot has 900 in it, I bet 200 into 2 opponents and they both instafold. Happened to me over and over, so I figure you may as well do it 100% of the time in spots like this against random opponents. I mean at absolute worst bet 200 and see what happens, there is almost no chance that they don't fold enough to make it a +EV bet.

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I don't mind this every once in awhile but I don't want to have my continuation bets floated too much also. The cash game forums seem to reccommend always betting 3/4-1 of the pot. Curtains, do you know why the strategies are so divergent for cash games and sngs? I'm not too sure myself but I sort of think I understand it.

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Curtains, do you know why the strategies are so divergent for cash games and sngs? I'm not too sure myself but I sort of think I understand it.

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Deeper stacks =&gt; more implied odds =&gt; more need to make people pay to draw. (EDIT: Also more need to pump the pot early and often if you want to stack somebody.)

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Curtains, do you know why the strategies are so divergent for cash games and sngs?

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I would think it's because in SNGs the relative size of your stack is imperative. It may be more cEV to bet more as to increase fold equity here, but we are losing too much $ equity when our bet is snapped off. Hopefully I'm right.

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In cash play your chips are exactly proportional to your equity (this isn't quite true, but it's close). In tournament play, that's not true (at all).

Also in cash play, you're more likely to be playing the same people for a longer period of time, so it is imperative to have balancing strategies.

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Does everyone cbet 100% of the time when they are OOP too? I've been torn on what to do in that spot.

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Does everyone cbet 100% of the time when they are OOP too? I've been torn on what to do in that spot.

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Yeah I've been wondering what to do there as well. Sometimes I have so kind of a read so I know what to do. But against a random player I bet 100% of the time &amp; I'm not sure if I should.

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If I've raised PF, and been called by one guy, I would cb 100% against a random dude. This has a way better than 1/3 chance of taking it down (I bet 1/2 pot).

Don't know what optimal amount is. From what curtains said, maybe a smaller bet would be closer to optimal. 1/2 pot seems pretty good to me.

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If I've raised PF, and been called by one guy, I would cb 100% against a random dude. This has a way better than 1/3 chance of taking it down (I bet 1/2 pot).

Don't know what optimal amount is. From what curtains said, maybe a smaller bet would be closer to optimal. 1/2 pot seems pretty good to me.

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That's pretty much how I play it also. The % time I CBet goes down as the number of callers goes up. If the BB is 50 and I raise to 200 PF and get 4 callers and miss completely I'm probably not CBetting. With 2 callers I usually do but not always, with 2 callers my stack size is also a big factor. One random caller and I'm always Cbetting, usually 1/2 the pot or a little bit more (I usually take 1/2 the pot and round up to the next 100, i.e. if there is 750 in the pot I bet 400).