12 Tabling Experiment: 1000 sample of each buy-in
 

I am doing an experiment. I am going to 12-table until I play 1000 tournaments at every level on PartyPoker (yes I am aware that 1000 is not divisible by 12). I will do this until I show a negative ROI (or when I go broke, whatever happens first). I never tried 12-tabling until this experiment, but I find it to be a lot easier than I thought. Sometimes I think I play better in ways because I don't over-think. The only downside is when I have to go the bathroom. I normally have to miss like 4 hands. An empty gatorade bottle has solved this problem nicely (just kidding [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]).

I already played 1054 at the 10+1 level (keep in mind that my first 300 or so are from when I was a sit and go beginner and knew absolutely jack squat about poker).

Here are my stats:
10+1:
ROI: 18.41%
ROI over the last 916 (more indicative of my new non-beginner skillz that pay the billz as this is after I learned pushbot stuff etc): 23.16%

I overall expect that I should have a 23% roi or higher which means that one can make about $33 an hour playing 10+1s. But obviously a person is probably better off killing himself than being a professional 10+1 player.

I'm not going to break down into the details of my stats too much but I pretty much own the 10+1s 12 tabling I am a God among the scumbags (just kidding again!). But here is what I ask of the readers and I'm being serious now.

Assuming that I don't improve as a player for the rest of the experiment, and all you know is that I'm a 23% roi 10+1 player, what will you predict my results are 12-tabling the final buy-ins based on my ROI in the 10+1s? I will post my results as they happen.

20+2: ??
30+2: ??
50+5: ??
100+9: ??

I would appreciate any thoughtful response to this post.

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Assuming that I don't improve as a player for the rest of the experiment, and all you know is that I'm a 23% roi 10+1 player,

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This is impossible to assume b/c the more you play the better you will get via experience.

If you are simply asking what kind of an ROI you could expect if you jumped straight to the 109s, Id say barely BE at best. Most of what you learn is through starting basic and playing with a basic kind of player. As you move up, the plyrs start to progressively turn more and more TAGish and advanced. This is when you have to develop better methods to exploit other weakness's (skill through experience). Dont get me wrong, there are still tons of fish at every level, but I think you get the point.

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GL dude!! but why do you want to do this? I don't really understand it, seems kinda silly

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11s - 25% ROI
20s - 20% ROI
33s - 16% ROI
55s - 13% ROI
109s - 10% ROI
215s - 7% ROI

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GL, btw, you have way too much time on yer hands.

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11s - 25% ROI
20s - 20% ROI
33s - 16% ROI
55s - 13% ROI
109s - 10% ROI
215s - 7% ROI

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That's if you are a good player on that level, not what a good $11-player would have if he just jumped up to say $215.

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11s - 20% ROI
20s - 15% ROI
33s - 7% ROI
55s - 3% ROI
109s - -2% ROI
215s - -7% ROI

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why?

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11s - 20% ROI
20s - 15% ROI
33s - 7% ROI
55s - 3% ROI
109s - -2% ROI
215s - -7% ROI

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This one sounds more realistic, although negative 7 is maybe a bit harsh for the $215s.

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Congratulations on doubling up every time you push.

Since that can't last forever, I predict you bust out at the 22s.

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Just curiouis. Why is someone better off killing themself than making $33 an hour at the 10's?

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Because if you can make $33 an hour you should probably move up pretty quickly.

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one can make about $33 an hour playing 10+1s. But obviously a person is probably better off killing himself than being a professional 10+1 player.

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Do you realize that if you worked 50 hrs. a week making $33/hr, then you would be making more than 80K a year?

Anyway, this got me thinking. If you could sustain this ROI 12-tabling the 33s, you could make 240K a year. Okay, that's asking a lot, but are there a lot of people making over 100K/year at the 33s?

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You would have to be superman to 12 table 50 hours a week for an entire year.

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Because if you can make $33 an hour you should probably move up pretty quickly.

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Seems silly to me that you should kill yourself, rather than living the lifestyle you are comfortable with...especially if someone in the SNG forum assumes they know what's best for you. But, I guess that's how it goes.

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this thread, and the post that i am replying to, make me rofl just a little bit. but that's because i hate the baby jesus, and i just called him on the phone to tell him about this thread, and now he's crying.

citanul

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You would have to be superman to 12 table 50 hours a week for an entire year.

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That's why I said 100K. If you 8-tabled the 33s for 40 hrs/wk you will still be over 100K for the year at a 20-23% ROI. Just wondering if there are people achieving that.

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rofl just a little bit

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the thought of rofling just a little bit makes me rofl. hard.

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rofl just a little bit

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the thought of rofling just a little bit makes me rofl. hard.

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come on now, we have to maintain a certain level of dignity.

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this thread, and the post that i am replying to, make me rofl just a little bit. but that's because i hate the baby jesus, and i just called him on the phone to tell him about this thread, and now he's crying.

citanul

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Yugoslav

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Speeds or regulars?

How many tables have you been playing in the past?

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If you have the right set up, 12 tabling is very easy. I could easily 20 table the speeds no problem with my set up.

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Wink,
Without even reading what the others are posting... 12 tables regardless of how well you adapt is a lot of tables, if your goal is to get "better" I think you'd be wise to maybe play six tables, post hands etc... if your just doing this for the shats and giggles, then more power to you...

good luck

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I'm not saying he can't do it. I'll just guess different numbers depending on his answers to those questions.

OP, what's the winner get?

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I normally 8 table, and I have mainly 8 tabled 50+5s.

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Also regulars.

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Ok fine you're probably better off NOT killing yourself. But I think most people who make $33 an hour playing 10+1s can make $60 an hour playing something else.

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Thank you for answering my question seriously!

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Why do I want to do this?

A) The money is still good for me, and there is very little variance. So it's kind of fun. I'm not Moneybags McGee like all of you high rollers out there.
B) I am actually getting better. 12 Tabling is honestly just "more practice per hour" than 8 tabling. I have more all-in pushes to review, more weird hand/flop situations to review, etc. I feel like for some reason I feel like I'm "guessing" better when it comes off to playing back at raisers etc.

C)Whenever I feel like taking a break and 8 table a higher-buyin it seems reallllly slow. That is probably a good thing.

But yeah also I'm not the smartest person when it comes to maximizing my time and money per hour.

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I am making a little over $40 an hour playing speed 22's. As soon as I play 100 more I am moving up to the 33's. I think 5 hours a day is possible as long as you take breaks inbetween and play 5-6 days a week. It is just like sports, you cannot train 7 days a week, you need a day off. I would approach poker the same.

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Nick:
What is your ROI, how many do you play at once, and what is your sample size?

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I normally 8 table, and I have mainly 8 tabled 50+5s.

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So you've got stats in the $55s....

Come on, if you're gonna have a game, you gotta have a prize.

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I have played around 900 in the new format. ROI right now is 11.2% This is all 12 tabling the speeds, I was travelling doing some coaching up until June, so just about 1.5 months work of playing.

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Hey Nick,

What stakes?

Perhaps you should, you know, consider playing fewer tables.

citanul

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Just 22's, although my bankroll is over 100 buy-ins of 109's I made a goal of playing 1000 22's and will move up soon to 33's and hopefully be a 55 regular. I do work about 10-12 hours a day teaching tennis for $85/hr in this Vegas heat, so it is hard to put a lot of poker hours in.

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Why mention making 85 bucks an hour teaching tennis when any decent SnG pro makes 4X that in the comfort of his home?

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ZOMG CENTRAL AIR!!!

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Just 22's, although my epenis is ready for the 109's

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