What is BB playing with?
 

Welcome to the basement of the PP empire!

No reads other than no one folds hands, too many people in every pot, no blind stealing is possible, I had not noticed anyone not betting when they hit some type of hand, no one folds for a quarter........

My position is early and I plan to retire if the betting gets agressive. BB checks preflop so I can not put him on much. He bets the flop/turn/river never getting excited. I call with overs and draw.

Should I have gotten out? When? Why?

What do you put BB on?


Party Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4.00 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (4.00 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls, SB folds.

River: (7.00 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.00 BB.

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

raise preflop and most likely continuation bet the flop depending on # of callers. given your preflop limp, fold the flop. given your flop call, good turn call, but fold the river. he is value betting in a limped pot and you have ace high.

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

:grunch:

Preflop: I would have raised here, especially if no-one is folding anything!

Flop: Fine. Two over cards and a poss runner-runner straight/flush draw. I call.

Turn: Fine. I call with a flush draw.

River: I fold.

BB has a set or KsQs

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

Taking the Grunch's advice and :Grunch:

At the beginner level you are right, it is tough to put the BB on a hand. Despite your reads, I would have raised pre-flop and put in a continuation bet on the flop and responded from the action there. As you played it, BB could have anything from a pair of tens or even ace high.

I would be more apt raise pre-flop, bet out the flop, and either call a raise on the flop or go for the free card on the turn. If bet into on the turn, call with the nut flush draw and fold the river unimproved or check behind if the table is that passive.

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

Raise preflop. As played I think you can fold the flop.

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

Grunch

Preflop raise.

FLop: Raise to get rid of players and coz you have BD nut flush and straight draws.

Turn: take a free card if available.

River fold if UI

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

Raise preflop.

Good flop call. You have 7ish outs and are getting 6 to 1 effectively closing the action.

Good turn call, you have 9 outs to the nut flush, and 6 outs to top pair, top kicker which is possibly still good if BB doesn't have you reverse dominated, made two pair, or hit one of the draws (both flush and straight) that came in on the turn.

Awful river call. Like, this is -1 BB right there. You're like, never good. There are times when you call a river bet with Ace high. This is not one of them.

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

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8ish outs

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more like 4-5

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

How do you figure? I can see discounting the Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] but don't see why TPTK is no good otherwise?

Erm, by 8ish I meant 7ish.

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

just ask yourself this:

when i hit an ace or queen on the turn, am i winning this pot 100% of the time?

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

No, but I'm winning it more than 50% of the time. So I'd lean it more towards 6-7 outs than 4-5.

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

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BB has a set or KsQs

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This is the range you put BB on? I really think you should broaden you range a bit.

BB could easily have any 2 pair (like 45, T5, T4), any T, plus other draws to bet out the flop here.

OP, raise PF and the hand would play diff.

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

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BB has a set or KsQs

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This is the range you put BB on? I really think you should broaden you range a bit.

BB could easily have any 2 pair (like 45, T5, T4), any T, plus other draws to bet out the flop here.

OP, raise PF and the hand would play diff.

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Yeah, when I pokerstoved it, I put BB on any spades, any T, A5, A4, 54, T4, T5, 76, 63, 32 any pocket pair JJ-44. I left out gutshots which are bet pretty often.

yay 5k
 

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No, but I'm winning it more than 50% of the time. So I'd lean it more towards 6-7 outs than 4-5.

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1.5 for bdfd. 0 for the bdsd since we will not be able to see the river with it anyway. you have TQA here not TJQ.

so you give yourself 4.5-5.5 outs for your overcards. too much.

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

Congratulations on your 5000th post. I was giving way too much to BDSD. I still think this is a profitable call with the LPPs in the pot.

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

Grunching

OK First post here goes
Preflop - Same
Flop - BB could have anything flush draw, pair (or 2), set, nothing - I sometimes can't resist raising here but I think a call is correct with two overs and BDFD
Turn - BB may have hit his flush or just wants to keep firing with top pair - Lots of outs to call but you are almost certainly behind
River - Missed your draws and I don't think A high is good often enough to call this pot

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

grunch

I normally raise preflop if i'm first in. callers or not, i've probably got a greater chance to win the pot than my 'share' based on their cards.

I guess the turn call is okay, but i'd fold this river twice on sundays.

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

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BB has a set or KsQs

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and quite a lot of other possible cards I think.

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

Buc, I'm starting to think you're trolling. Same answer as the last umpteen hands you've posted. You played too weakly while you were drawing, and then called a bet on the end when there was no chance you were good.

If nobody's raising preflop, then raise. Otherwise, I don't hate the limp from EP. When you only limped preflop and somebody bets into the field on the flop, fold because you don't have a big enough pot to draw to 6 outs, and BB paired.

If you've ever seen people fold the turn, then raise BB once you get there. SB might get out, UTG might flee, and BB might give you a free showdown.

And the call with ace-high on the river just makes me throw up in my own mouth.

Re: What is BB playing with?
 

I would have raised PF. Other than that, I would have folded after not hitting the flush.