This hand will make you a worse poker player. Don\'t do what I do.
 

So I had a misclick on the flop. I wanted to click "fold" but I clicked raise instead. That said, sexy river? My only chance of saving face and not seeming like a total moron? Or spewage to the max? Again, I apologize for the vomit on your monitors after reading this. Opponent was weak-tightish.

I do this too much when I don't misclick. Spewing the river, that is. Is it? Her? (Bonus points if you get the reference)

Party Poker 2.00/4.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(9 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>...

Re: This hand will make you a worse poker player. Don\'t do what I do.
 

Folding here is weak-tight IMO [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]. After that its just spewing.

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if he is weak tight and he is calling down then he almost has an ace 100% time, i think this is spwe.. and i don't get the reference [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img](

Re: This hand will make you a worse poker player. Don\'t do what I do.
 

why post a misclick hand?

river is spew.

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river is spew.

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Comments like these are why I posted. I wasn't sure if my hopeless bluff would work often enough here to be EV neutral or have a slightly +EV.

If you put the hand in a vacuum, and only look at the river, is it still spew? Probably, but that's my question.

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Even in a vacuum, I think you are only folding a naked Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], so unless BB holds one of those, river is a spew. I see the point of your play (BB just taking a shot on scary flop) but it was one of thsoe times where it is just easier to fold than try to outplay someone who probably doesn't need to be outplayed.

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reference = arrested development.

if you misclicked the flop, why not take up that free gutshot on the turn? i guess if you're really insistent on betting the turn, getting 6-1 on your bluff you should bet the river too on the chance that he has a flush draw and some junk pair that he's ready to fold UI.

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In a blind steal like this add me to the spew list.

Hows come the coverter says (9 handed) only the format shows 7?

How often do you misclick? Just curious. It happens to me rarely but I only two and sometimes three table. Whenever I misclick it is always call/raise instead of fold though.

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why not check the turn for your free shot at a 10 (hopefully untainted)? If you hit, you can make up your turn bet with a raise.

Either way, i dont like the c-bets on the turn and river because the pot is too small to warrant the bluff.

BTW, last night I mis-clicked and folded KK pre-flop. That sucked

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i'm sure most of you will hate what i'm going to say, but, i really think it's true. against typical opposition, it's really not worth raising in co with q,j. before you conclude i'm surely nuts, think about it a bit. using the example given, after the flop raise is called, hero is so often toast. even connecting with the flop is no guarantee of winning with q,j. let it go. i've said it before and i'll say it for a while. the limited ability of small stakes players to fold (anything) reduces the value of steal attempts or semi-steal attempts...

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river is spew.

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Comments like these are why I posted. I wasn't sure if my hopeless bluff would work often enough here to be EV neutral or have a slightly +EV.

If you put the hand in a vacuum, and only look at the river, is it still spew? Probably, but that's my question.

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the problem with a bluff here is that I don't think you fold out a better hand. I think he calls the river with any piece. Therefore, the only hands that fold are worse hands - b/c you beat any missed draw, so unless you are folding exactly QJ then you are getting nothing.

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i'm sure most of you will hate what i'm going to say, but, i really think it's true. against typical opposition, it's really not worth raising in co with q,j. before you conclude i'm surely nuts, think about it a bit. using the example given, after the flop raise is called, hero is so often toast. even connecting with the flop is no guarantee of winning with q,j. let it go. i've said it before and i'll say it for a while. the limited ability of small stakes players to fold (anything) reduces the value of steal attempts or semi-steal attempts...

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"Thinks about it".... nahhh, your nuts.

There is a theme in most of your posts that I usually notice (for the most part, not all of the time):

A.) You are too weak-rock tight preflop/postflop.

B.) You tie in +EV PF positional raises with select posted flops.

Ex. "You shouldnt open raise KJo in the Hijack because when this flop comes all hearts and you don't have a heart, you are probably behind...".

Just my 2 cents, and something you should try and work on.

Haupt_234

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i'm sure most of you will hate what i'm going to say, but, i really think it's true. against typical opposition, it's really not worth raising in co with q,j. before you conclude i'm surely nuts, think about it a bit. using the example given, after the flop raise is called, hero is so often toast. even connecting with the flop is no guarantee of winning with q,j. let it go. i've said it before and i'll say it for a while. the limited ability of small stakes players to fold (anything) reduces the value of steal attempts or semi-steal attempts...

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Is it weak tight in here or is it you?

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I would have just checked through the flop, Grease. You get a free crack at your gutshot and may also pick up the pot if a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] falls on the river.

BTW, I always try to be crazy and make up lost ground when I misclick, too. I think you have to sometimes...

Haupt_234

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I can't check through the flop: he bet into me.

I was going to just fold and be weak-tight, is that correct?

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I can't check through the flop: he bet into me.

I was going to just fold and be weak-tight, is that correct?


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I meant to type "check the turn", my bad.

Haupt_234

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i'm sure most of you will hate what i'm going to say, but, i really think it's true. against typical opposition, it's really not worth raising in co with q,j. before you conclude i'm surely nuts, think about it a bit.

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(Thinks.....)

You're surely nuts.

You're in CO.

No one has entered the pot.

BB, the most likely player to call, is weak-tight.

Raise it, for chrissakes.

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i'm sure most of you will hate what i'm going to say, but, i really think it's true. against typical opposition, it's really not worth raising in co with q,j. before you conclude i'm surely nuts, think about it a bit. using the example given, after the flop raise is called, hero is so often toast. even connecting with the flop is no guarantee of winning with q,j. let it go. i've said it before and i'll say it for a while. the limited ability of small stakes players to fold (anything) reduces the value of steal attempts or semi-steal attempts...

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i'll raise qjo earlier than the CO if hte conditions are right. 2/4 is all about running over the table. that's how you get a huge bb/100 at those games b/c not enough people play back at you and know how to counter your aggression.

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Let me understand this. Raising qj in CO is a misclick. This is clearly a raising hand in an uunopened pot in CO. All things considered you need to fold after he donks the flop. Once you raised though I think you need to bet it all the way.

But seriously, you fold qj? Now THAT is weak tight.

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Raising QJo in cutoff is not a pure 'steal', its two broadway cards going up against one more hand that has to call two cold and then the blinds. If you are stealing a lot, then you might want to just call here, but in most cases this seems like standard play. You have the advantage against any non A-x, K-x, or pp and BB (possibly SB) will call with a lot worse junk. Try raising it up, I think you'll find that you like it quite a bit.

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Let me understand this. Raising qj in CO is a misclick. This is clearly a raising hand in an uunopened pot in CO. All things considered you need to fold after he donks the flop. Once you raised though I think you need to bet it all the way.

But seriously, you fold qj? Now THAT is weak tight.

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So I had a misclick on the flop. I wanted to click "fold" but I clicked raise instead.

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I think his turn call indicates some strength. I dont expect him to fold on the river very often.


-J

Re: This hand will make you a worse poker player. Don\'t do what I do.
 

I'm folding the flop if he bets - he's probably got an ace or a diamond. Why waste any more money on this hand. If I see the turn I'm checking it, and then a bet at the river isn't a bad idea and it will work if he was just on a big flush draw.

People use a fear of being weak tight as a reason to raise the flop with nothing. That's a good way to spew.

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Yeah, I was going to fold, until I misclicked raise.