Tens vs. Tight Aggressive UTG Raiser
 

Villan is 21/13/3.17/1008.

Is there any other way to play this hand or is it boring?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.70 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.70 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.70 BB

Haupt_234

Re: Tens vs. Tight Aggressive UTG Raiser
 

Raise flop? Call a re-raise, fold turn UI?

Preflop action suggests you are probably beaten already.

If I make it to river, I'm definately folding as well.

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Maybe R/F the turn for a free showdown (hoping he folds AK)? Raise the flop and B/F the turn? OTOH, I don't see villain going anywhere, so you're probably just putting in extra bets you'll lose. There's 24 ways to make JJ-AA and 16 ways to make AK, so if you weren't already behind the river definitely cooked you. This guy's stats make me wonder if he couldn't get tricky and cap a middle pair heads-up (KQ not so likely to me), but then 66 and 99 flopped sets... I like it as you played it.

Do you raise a river brick?

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Do you raise a river brick?

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No, I wasn't planning on it. It would suck to fold to a 3bet.

Haupt_234

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with 10,10 or j,j-i usually just call an early raiser (with q,q-k,k or a,a i will almost always reraise)...assuming i'm not raised behind, i will usually raise the early position player (with any flop) and take it from there....assuming i'm called, i'll bet the turn and check behind on the river if we get there (if there are overcards present)....i'll likely fold if i'm raised at any point after the flop...

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with 10,10 or j,j-i usually just call an early raiser (with q,q-k,k or a,a i will almost always reraise)...assuming i'm not raised behind, i will usually raise the early position player (with any flop) and take it from there....assuming i'm called, i'll bet the turn and check behind on the river if we get there (if there are overcards present)....i'll likely fold if i'm raised at any point after the flop...

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This make me believe you have a generic way of playing each individual hand which you stick to. This is bad. You need to use reads to your advantage.

Haupt_234

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Haupt,

Did you consider raising the river?

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Did you consider raising the river?

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Hmmm... I didn't. Even if I knew this guy had KK-JJ, do you think he would lay down to a river raise enough times to warrant putting 2 more BBs in?

It does make me think though...

Haupt_234

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Did you consider raising the river?

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Hmmm... I didn't. Even if I knew this guy had KK-JJ, do you think he would lay down to a river raise enough times to warrant putting 2 more BBs in?

It does make me think though...


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FWIW, your hand should look to him more like a big ace than a premium pair.

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FWIW, your hand should look to him more like a big ace than a premium pair.

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Yea, when you mentioned the river raise I thought that right away. I think raising the river here would have been sexy...

Getting 8.7:2... if my play works around 23% or so then its +EV right? I think he may fold 1/4 times but its hard to tell.

If I realized all of this at the time, I still don't know if I would attempt it because I think it would be better to have seen him make bigger, smart laydowns previously. That's hard to find at 5/10.

Haupt_234

Re: Tens vs. Tight Aggressive UTG Raiser
 

You actually only need to be good 19% of the time (2/10.7).

I would not have thought of this move, but I like it. An aggression factor 3.17 makes me think he's capable of laying down KK, QQ, or JJ.

My main concern would be how I look to him if he calls with his kings. I don't like my opponents to think I'm capable of bluffs like that, but it might not matter at 5/10 party.

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Haupt,

Did you consider raising the river?

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This is the first thing I thought of too. I wouldn't do it based only on these PT stats though... I need to know he folds pocket pairs here for sure. Without any more info I think you see frusturated calls from KK too often.

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By re-raising the flop you would get some information. If he would reraise you then you have a good idea he's playing a high pair AA-QQ and be inclined to fold if you don't hit the turn saving yourself those two BB's. If he calls then you could probably put him on a range of AK-AJ. Anyone who caps the betting is going to bet out regardless most of the time.

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By re-raising the flop you would get some information. If he would reraise you then you have a good idea he's playing a high pair AA-QQ and be inclined to fold if you don't hit the turn saving yourself those two BB's. If he calls then you could probably put him on a range of AK-AJ. Anyone who caps the betting is going to bet out regardless most of the time.

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Betting or raising "for information" is grossly overrated, and rarely a good reason on its own to take a selected action. In addition, since opponent is aggressive and tricky, it is unlikely that his play will be blueprint predictable. Indeed, it is not crazy to think that his opponent might three-bet the flop with AK, or likewise, might just call the flop and try for a checkraise with a hand like AA.

In summary, there is rarely a formulaic "best line" to take heads-up against an aggressive, tricky player.

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If the river had been a Q or J, would you still fold or call down?

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True but a TAG as opposed to a LAG? If it were a LAG I probably wouldn't re-raise the flop for info but against a TAG it may be worthwhile.

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If he would reraise you then you have a good idea he's playing a high pair AA-QQ and be inclined to fold if you don't hit the turn saving yourself those two BB's.

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No, because it would cost us an extra BB when we get 3bet on the flop. Why not spend 1 more BB, calling down, for a guaranteed showdown? Especially agaisnt a tight, thinking player.

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If it were a LAG I probably wouldn't re-raise the flop for info but against a TAG it may be worthwhile.

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I am the opposite. I would raise a LAG player for value because I know folding to a 3bet or folding the turn after being popped back is -EV.

Against a TAG on the other hand, raising the flop is bad in this situation since he can move you off your hand easily and, if you call the reraises and go to showdown, it is spewing.

Haupt_234