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This info came from a co-worker who's roomate works at Ceasars poker room.

Seems the players in the Bellagio "Big Game" solicited Ceasars for bringing the game over there. So Friday nite they played at Ceasars. What got them over there?

Ceasars gave them $5 per 1/2 hr rake instead of the normal $10 per man they pay at Bellagio.
Ceasars FULL comped anything they wanted to eat. Including Lobsters, steaks etc. Bellagio doesnt do this.

And when the players didnt like a dealer?...they got pulled out of the box and another dealer was sent in. Some dealers were taken OUT of the games they were in up to 3 times to go deal this game. Do you think THEY got any reward? 1 dealer stated after the third time thru he would not go back in!! he had just made $18 and that was his best down in 3 times thru! So as is the norm, better dealers were penalized. Being forced to deal this game and make alot less than in any other game in the room.

I dont know how long they played for but the obvious result was -ev to Ceasars. Dummys gave away the house. Where were these players on Saturday nite?

Bellagio

Rumor has it the game will go to the Venetian poker room when it opens. I know over 200 dealers that cant wait!

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I dont know how long they played for but the obvious result was -ev to Ceasars

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I highly doubt that

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I dont know how long they played for but the obvious result was -ev to Ceasars

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I highly doubt that

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You dont understand the "business" of poker. There's no doubt to that.

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Uhmm, I think you miss the fact that more players will play in Ceasars when they hold the Big Game. But this is too obvious and I look stupid now.

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Uhmm, I think you miss the fact that more players will play in Ceasars when they hold the Big Game. But this is too obvious and I look stupid now.

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Can you name one of these players? The big game moves around to different poker rooms until they wear out their welcome and then it is back to Bellagio.

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Management at "ceasars" would be more likely to take your advice if you could actually, you know, spell Caesar's.

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Management at "ceasars" would be more likely to take your advice if you could actually, you know, spell Caesar's.

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I will point out the OP is more familiar with the business of poker than anyone at Caesar's. It is not uncommon for the players in the big game to take as many freebies as they can from an unsuspecting cardroom manager.

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ceasars sucks....esp their AC pokerroom where all u hear is casino jingle in background, the dealers are retarted with lots of misdeals, etc, and the food is HORRIBLE. 8 bux for a chicken sandwich and I couldnt find the chicken in the sandwich, what horsecrap

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Uhmm, I think you miss the fact that more players will play in Ceasars when they hold the Big Game. But this is too obvious and I look stupid now.

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Yes you do..because thats actually the misnomer that I'm sure made them do it. The "herd" is not going to follow them like you think.

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You dont understand the "business" of poker. There's no doubt to that.


[/ QUOTE ] I know the OP personally and I'll make a bet he knows more about the poker business than you'll ever know. Don't stick your nose in things you know nothing about.

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Due to the fact that at some of the regulars in the big game are wired-up, hardcore, action-junkie gamblers who could pass by the craps table and dump more loot than a stoned lottery winner walking his girlfriend through Bloomingdales, it may be worth it.

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Due to the fact that at some of the regulars in the big game are wired-up, hardcore, action-junkie gamblers who could pass by the craps table and dump more loot than a stoned lottery winner walking his girlfriend through Bloomingdales, it may be worth it.

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I'm not sure if I agree with you, but you still get points for the mental image.

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Hi Bigfishhead,

It makes me sick everytime I hear stories about the "big Game" players taking advantage of anyone in awe of them.

Rake and comps are at the discretion of management. Dealers being requested should only be done with a financial understanding that benefits the dealer at the players or managements expense.

Anyone who thinks these guy's will remeber the generosity of Caesers poker room is dreaming. This clique is just a pack of locusts that will move on when the well dries up.

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Okay you take this for what it is worth.

I played at Belterra friday and I hadn't seen Chris ( a guy that used to deal at Ceasars) so I asked his buddy Charles if Chris still worked there, Charles says, Hell no he is out in Vegas at Caesar's dealing one thousand dollars per hand and they tipped him $2 for his entire down, then he kinda laughed just a little. Charles and Chris are good friends so don't take that laugh the wrong way.

If you are at Caesar's LV and you see a really good dealer (probably sporting a shaved head)named Chris, you tell him, Andy southern Indiana said hello.

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Would the dealer make more than $18 a half hour in a low limit game?

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I don't blame them for taking advantage of any comps Caesar's gives them--hell, harrah's has enough money--but the way they go through dealers is seriously 1.4. In a bad way.

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Would the dealer make more than $18 a half hour in a low limit game?

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Yes.

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I don't blame them for taking advantage of any comps Caesar's gives them--hell, harrah's has enough money--but the way they go through dealers is seriously 1.4. In a bad way.

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Yeah seriously, you can't blame anyone for getting all the free comps they can get, but how cheap they are towards the dealers is ridiculous. Are all the players of the big game that way or are there at least a couple who tip decently?

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Would the dealer make more than $18 a half hour in a low limit game?

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An excellent dealer with a quick game, oh yeah!

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I wouldn't mind making 18 dollars a half hour. 72,000 a year plus the base salary, minus breaks. I wouldn't want to have to deal with crap from those low life, high limit players.

ps. I did get a job, at Caesers, but not doing poker.

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And when the players didnt like a dealer?...they got pulled out of the box and another dealer was sent in. Some dealers were taken OUT of the games they were in up to 3 times to go deal this game.

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This is exactly why they keep wearing out their welcome at most every casino and keep going back to Bellagio. Well, one of the bigger reasons. This primadona type of behavior is absolutely pompus and ridiculous. If they want a robot, go home and play on the internet. Full Tilt (when they're not down) will give them 1k/2k with no questions asked and they can get 3x the amount of hands per hour and have nothing to bitch about.

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Hi fishhead:

Perhaps I'm missing something, but isn't a dealer's job roughly the same whether it is a ultra high limit game or a much lower limit game? You seem t be saying that when you deal an ultra high limit game, that you deserve and are entitled to a much higher wage (mostly in tips) than you are at any other game.

Following through on your logic, why doesn't Caesar's (or any room for that matter) increase the wage of dealers who are dealing in the higher limit games. Furthermore, continuing with your logic, it seems to me that you are also saying that dealers make far too much when they deal low limit games.

As for dealers being pulled out of the box, I have made that exact request on a few occasions in my poker career. Usually the cardroom turns me down, but there have been times when they agreed and the dealer was given a break.

best wishes,
Mason

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When I played at the mix game at the Aladdin, they had placards from the Bellagio - I asked them about it because the Poker Room Manager was sitting in the one seat.
He said that Doyle ect, left them after they played the big game upstairs at the Aladdin. He seemed pretty proud to have hosted the game for awhile.

Where else have the played / burned?

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I wouldn't mind making 18 dollars a half hour. 72,000 a year plus the base salary, minus breaks. I wouldn't want to have to deal with crap from those low life, high limit players.

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There are dealers that can't make this much, but if they are getting to pick and chose their dealers they are getting ones that certainly can. Also do not underestimate the number of breaks that dealers take.

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Hi xCEO:

I disagree completely.

Recently, an example of this occurred in the Wynn Cardroom with their hiring of Negreanu. As far as I could tell, the fact that he played someone a heads up match for a lot of money back in the corner had no impact on their business one way or another.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Hi fishhead,

I can't be certain about this, but Celine Dion's husband likes to play poker and he'll often play in the very high limit game. I suspect that may have something to do with the game being at Caesar's.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Where else have the played / burned?

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I dont know about the "burned" but I know they have played at Sam's Town, Aladdin, Excalibur, Caesars, Bellagio, Golden Nugget, Binion's, and I'm sure other places that I'm not aware of.

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Perhaps I'm missing something, but isn't a dealer's job roughly the same whether it is a ultra high limit game or a much lower limit game? You seem t be saying that when you deal an ultra high limit game, that you deserve and are entitled to a much higher wage (mostly in tips) than you are at any other game.

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What he is sayign is when they deal in a high limit game they deserve to make what they woudl make in a regular game not less. This is amplified in a place that only has a few dealers that are able to deal the big game so they have to deal it more than once in a day.

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Randy is telling you true. Dealers don’t like to deal the high limit games because it is more stress for less money. If you doubt that, just ask a few dealers who have been in the situation.

As for the $72k/year ... Many dealers don’t actually work 40 hours / week; when games go down or business is slower than expected, the dealers go off the clock. Even when they are on the clock they aren’t always sitting down pushing cards; dealers get a lot of breaks ... and they need them. And don’t forget that their salary is minimum wage ... their paycheck is pretty much zeroed out, being taken for taxes on claimed tokes.

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These stories and stories like these I hear on a daily basis is the reason I'll stay at the smaller poker room I work at now. Why go through all those hassles as a dealer?

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Yes Mason,

But no human being should go through the crap they go through at the high limit games and not get compensated fairly for it. It's very discouraging to hear the abuse some dealers take from these degenarates high limit players who think they're better than everyone else. Just because you play in the "big game" doesn't give you the right to act like a douchebag!

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Management at "ceasars" would be more likely to take your advice if you could actually, you know, spell Caesar's.

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It always amuses me when some spelling nazi comes along to correct someone else's mistake and then makes a completely different mistake in the process.

The correct spelling is: Caesars Palace

It's not "ceasars" like in the original post. And, it's not "Caesar's" like in the nazi correction post.

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Hi balt999:

Have you ever spent any time sitting or watching the high limit game. I have. And the abuse that you talk about doesn't exist. The fact of the matter is that players like Doyle Brunson, Chip Reese, Barry Greenstein, David Grey, etc. are quite professional when it comes to the dealers.

In fact, their game in many ways is much easier to deal since when a problem comes up, the players usually agree on a solution themselves and the dealer or floorpeople usually are minimally involved.

I do agree that some of the players you see on TV are poorly behaved, but these are not the players in the big game.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Hi Randy:

The only figure he gave was $18 for the down. That sounds fairly good to me.

best wishes,
Mason

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Hi Terry:

Part of the reason it is more stress is that the ultra high limit players, just like I do, insist on competent dealers. This means no extraneous talking in the box, paying attention to the game, following all procedures properly, etc. Caesar's, like most new rooms, has problems in this area. Fortunately, as this thread shows, they are aware of it and I expect improvement there over time.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Hi balt:

The reason you go to a bigger room is that their games are more stable and you'll make a better income because there will be less down time. Also, company benefits can vary among casinos.

However, if you are happy where you are, then it's my advice to stay there. But tips are certainly better in games like $15-$30, $20-$40, and $30-$60 hold 'em than they are at the smallest limits.

Best wishes,
Mason

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mason

please give us the dirt on who the rude players are. we live to hear these kinds of things. you bust cards, don't you?

thanks,
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please give us the dirt on who the rude players are. we live to hear these kinds of things. you bust cards, don't you?

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I have dealt to Mason on a fairly regular basis in both the 30-60 and the 80-160 game at Bellagio. I have seen him take horrible beats like we all have. He has never EVER while I was in the box shown the least bit tilt let alone broke a card or winged a card in my direction with any extra ferver. The closest to tilt I can say I have witnessed is a somewhat subdued exhale. Harldy readable by most. He has alway been fine by me. Tokes me a buck most every hand too. Certainly not on a blinds steal.

BTW,
Thanks again Mason.

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Hi fishhead:

Perhaps I'm missing something, but isn't a dealer's job roughly the same whether it is a ultra high limit game or a much lower limit game? You seem t be saying that when you deal an ultra high limit game, that you deserve and are entitled to a much higher wage (mostly in tips) than you are at any other game.

Following through on your logic, why doesn't Caesar's (or any room for that matter) increase the wage of dealers who are dealing in the higher limit games. Furthermore, continuing with your logic, it seems to me that you are also saying that dealers make far too much when they deal low limit games.

As for dealers being pulled out of the box, I have made that exact request on a few occasions in my poker career. Usually the cardroom turns me down, but there have been times when they agreed and the dealer was given a break.

best wishes,
Mason

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I think you took it wrong Mason. The guy got ONE (1) $18 down. The others were 5-8 bucks. I dont say they/we should get more because its a ultra high limit. But certainly not LESS!! ESPECIALLY since they want the best dealers.

4-5 years ago I was pulled out of the main lineup to deal 1 particular game only along with one other dealer. Archie (you know the Archie I mean) was being backed by Becky Behnens husband (his name escapes me) in a 800-1600 game. I made $12 for my 7 downs in that game while "lesser dealers" were making a regular nites wage in the rest of the room. After the 2nd nite of this (all the managers were afraid to talk to Mr Behnen) when the game ended, we went straight up to Mr B. We thanked him for his confidence in us to deal the game well, and explained to him that while it was a compliment, we still had rent and bills to pay and we were only there to make a living. We explained that it cost us 40% of our weekly income to deal his game. We didnt have to say any more. He started taking black chips out of the rack and apologized profusely for us not getting toked. I believe all it took was to approach him in a respectful manner as equals (to a point) and he was very standup about it.

I cant count how many times I've dealt the big game flawlessly and walked out holding "air" in my hands. I know I'm speaking for every dealer that has ever dealt that game thats worth his salt as a dealer. Just dont stiff us. We're here trying to make a living. You toke $25 for a freaking drink. Is a redbird per player at the end too much to ask? There are 2 players in that game that do just that about 50% of the time. IF THEY REMEMBER, and are in the room when you leave.

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Hi fishhead,

I can't be certain about this, but Celine Dion's husband likes to play poker and he'll often play in the very high limit game. I suspect that may have something to do with the game being at Caesar's.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Mason,
I dont think Renee is playing with them anymore. I understand your thoughts there but IMO I think he was taken for a few too many bucks to want to play with those guys. Recently he has played only in the Bellagio $1k buy-in tournys and was always gone upon exit from the tourny. No matter whether he made the final table or was out early. I think it's been 4 months or more since I've seen him play in Bobbys Room.

Regards