4 hands from 5/10

poker1O1 · #1 01-04-2006, 10:43 PM

hand 1: should I have c/c'd this turn and river instead?
Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 folds, Hero raises, CO calls, 3 folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6.70 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, CO raises, UTG folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

River: (10.70 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.70 BB.
Results in white below:
CO has Ad 9d (high card ace.)
Hero has Ks Ac (high card ace.)
Hero wins 12.40 BB.

hand 2: this line seems a little weak
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 folds, Hero raises, 1 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.70 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 folds, Button raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.70 BB.
Results in white below:
Button doesn't show.
Button wins 9.40 BB.

hand 3: did I maximize this, 3bet the river?
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls, UTG+1 raises, 1 folds, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Button calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets, Button folds, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls.

River: (15.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 19.20 BB.
Results in white below:
UTG+1 has Ah Kc (three of a kind, kings.)
Hero has 7h 7c (a full house, Sevens full of kings.)
Hero wins 18.90 BB.

hand 4: was this line too weak?
Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets, 8 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.70 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.70 BB.
Results in white below:
UTG+1 doesn't show.
UTG+1 wins 9.40 BB.

poker1O1 · #2 01-04-2006, 10:49 PM

also, all villians are typical TAG's

Aces McGee · #3 01-04-2006, 11:35 PM

Hand 1: I see no reason to bet the turn. As played, I would probably fold the river barring some read that my opponent is at least slightly tricky.

Hand 2: Looks good from here.

Hand 3: I think you're okay just calling the river raise against an unknown, seemingly tight-aggressive opponent.

Hand 4: Fold looks okay, but folding the river on boards like this is why I am often hesitant to employ the way ahead/way behind line.

-McGee

hero · #4 01-05-2006, 01:50 AM

1. check fold from the turn, also pls dont post results (i know i can choose not to look but amazed that nut non-pair was good)
2. good fold- i think button calling 2 cold on the flop and waking up with clubs is clear that tptk isn't good here.
3. i like the river, fearing KT- most thinking tags at 5/10 wouldn't play just trips this hard- wondering who's calling all these bets down?
4. what hands would 3-bet and riv raise you that you beat? overplayed AK or something like JsJx but if we're looking for information it costs us the same to c-call the river instead of betting out. this looks like a good wa/wb situation where i dont think he has a Q but what's he calling with here that we beat? TT's a nice hand with some showdown value but i'd prefer a c-call instead of a bet-fold for the same $.

_TKO_ · #5 01-05-2006, 03:19 AM

Hand 1: No comment
2 & 3 look alright to me.
4: I really don't like folding on this river. A lot of pocket pairs can play this way. A rare AK perhaps, if she knows you'll bet/fold the river with any pair. I hate folding, so I c/c and expect to beat 99 or worse pair.

jakbse · #6 01-05-2006, 04:09 AM

I'm a 1/2 player, so don't mind me. Haven't checked the results.
1/ Why do you call down a turn raise with A high?? Also, I would check/call with GS and overs.
2/ I would call down, he might try to scare you off and sometimes you're actually ahead.
3/ Fine, you can't really try to c/r this river as you capped the turn. I like the slowplay on the flop.
4/ Fine

Azhrarn · #7 01-05-2006, 04:21 AM

1. I like check-calling this turn, yes. And I don't like the river call without a read that my opponent is capable of this level of donkery, as I wouldn't expect my hand to be good often enough at showdown versus an unknown. On the other hand, if you know he's a semi-bluff raising fool, I kinda like the line you took. He probably folded the winning hand for you.

2. Speaking of a little weak, I like folding to the flop raise. No one's mentioned this yet, and I think this deserves discussion.

The up: 12-1, we're closing the action, and we have overcards.

The down: Our club outs are dirty. And we're up against two coldcallers, with a jack on the board. We're running a pretty good risk of reverse domination. I don't see giving myself more than three outs here, and implied odds are working against us, since we don't know which (or if any) of our outs are clean.

Given your flop call, I like the turn play.

3. It's good. I wouldn't expect a worse hand to pop me again very often on the river. We're screaming "I have a full house!" here. I guess he wasn't listening.

4. Anyone else want to check-fold this flop? Against the typical range of an EP 3-bettor, we're only ahead of 99 and AK, and AK is still a small favorite against us if he's got a spade. Anyone feel like doing the math and counting hand combos and calculate our EV?

TRD23 · #8 01-05-2006, 04:55 AM

Hand 1
Check call the turn, fold the river UI. You have 3 other people that like their hand enough to call the flop on a un-coordinated board.

Hand 2
Pretty easy fold on the flop IMO. Button is looking for the flush so you only 4 outs, getting 12:1 with the possiblity of facing redraws if you hit on the turn, I am happy to put on my weak tight hat and fold here.

Hand 3
I was going to suggest raising the flop, but I think call and check raising the turn is much better as it will also make it unprofitable for anyone to call with a gut shot. The rest of the hand is good.

Hand 4
Maybe I need to make weak tight a more regular part of my play as I think folding the flop here is the best choice. I just think we are losing this hand far more then we are winning it, lets get out now.

Thanks for these hands, hand 4 was very useful.

Nick Royale · #9 01-05-2006, 11:10 AM

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1. check fold from the turn

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Terrible. Did you miss the gut-shot?

hero · #10 01-05-2006, 10:47 PM

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1. check fold from the turn

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Terrible. Did you miss the gut-shot?

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yep, missed it completely. my reasoning for folding to the c/r was the % that we're reverse dominated by something like A7 or KT. So we just picked up 4 more outs and i'd give our overs 2 each. If we call i figure we must fold the river bet ui?