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#1
02-21-2007, 09:07 PM
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KK vs. 4 flush on board
Please review and comment on this hand. I have not concluded what the correct play would have been and I'm interested in the 2+2 consensus.
A couple of weeks ago I'm playing 3/6 at a passive table with mostly check/folders and a couple of donaters. I'm dealt black KK CO. Callers to MP3 who raises, two callers to me, I 3 bet. BB and MP3 call. BB is weak-passive and is probably guarding his blind. MP3 is drunk and LAG. Flop is: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] - 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] - J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Check to me, I bet, BB and MP3 call. Turn is: K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Checks to me, I check. River is: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] BB check, MP3 bets, I raise. BB folds, MP3 thinks for a moment and makes a crying call. I show my set of K and MP3 shows 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] How do you play it? Any other comments? 
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#2
02-21-2007, 09:15 PM
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Re: KK vs. 4 flush on board
why are you raising the river?
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#3
02-21-2007, 09:31 PM
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Re: KK vs. 4 flush on board
Bet the turn.
You sooooo have to bet the turn. Though your river raise was a cute little play, but it's tough to get a drunk opponent to fold on the river for one big bet. You probably had a much better chance of getting rid of him on the turn.
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#4
02-21-2007, 09:34 PM
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Re: KK vs. 4 flush on board
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Bet the turn. You sooooo have to bet the turn. Though your river raise was a cute little play, but it's tough to get a drunk opponent to fold on the river for one big bet. You probably had a much better chance of getting rid of him on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] it's unlikely you'll fold any flush ... especially against a 'passive' opponent (who tends to call with crap)
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#5
02-21-2007, 09:43 PM
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Re: KK vs. 4 flush on board
If BB has a weak flush and you think MP3 might come in for a river bet without one -- which, considering his play in this hand, seems quite possible -- then the river raise could work very nicely. I much prefer a turn bet though.
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#6
02-21-2007, 09:45 PM
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Re: KK vs. 4 flush on board
I can't make any sense of the preflop action, but the pot seems very large to me - certainly large enough to take a stab at it on the turn.
OP - Exactly how big was the pot?
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#7
02-22-2007, 01:22 AM
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Re: KK vs. 4 flush on board
I recall that the pot was 8.5 BB when I raised on the river. I estimate +/- 0.5 BB or so due to poor memory [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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#10
02-24-2007, 11:33 PM
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Re: KK vs. 4 flush on board
Thanks for the comments.
Here are my thoughts: Neither opponent bets the turn, so probably I have the best hand right now. If I bet here, I indicate the flush and my opponents fold. If I check behind, perhaps they will call the river bet I plan to make. Additionly, if I bet the turn, no flush will fold, i.e. I hate a call, but with trip kings, can I fold myself? I think not. Perhaps I am a fish. Regardless, a bet on the turn here committs me to two bets if not three. Here I got out for one.
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