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Old 01-12-2007, 09:58 PM
raze raze is offline
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Default 100nl deep - flopped straight, paired turn

Didn't know villain, didn't have PT for stats at the time.

Great flop, but how do I handle the paired turn with stacks 160 deep?


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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">MP ($160.69)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($270.06)</font>
SB ($57.77)
BB ($260.70)
UTG ($111.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $1, Hero calls $1, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($4) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $25</font>, MP calls $17.

Turn: ($54) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $10</font>
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Old 01-12-2007, 10:10 PM
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Default Re: 100nl deep - flopped straight, paired turn

$60. Call shove.
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Old 01-13-2007, 03:31 AM
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Default Re: 100nl deep - flopped straight, paired turn

Is it really that simple? What do we put him on here? At the time, I was thinking I don't wanna give this guy a free flush draw... but the flop action isn't consistent. What do we put him on here, and how do we act accordingly?
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Old 01-13-2007, 03:47 AM
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Default Re: 100nl deep - flopped straight, paired turn

He could have 33, 66, 77 all of which would beat you. Also, he could be an aggressive player and raise with TP nut flush draw (A7c). 67 for top two is another hand he could have had.

His smallish bet on the turn could indicate two things: weakness or bait for you to raise, but seeing the range of hands I listed above, it seems like the small bet was intended to look harmless so as not to scare you away.

You have virtually one out, 6c, with all hands but one. Folding is probably ideal. But it's so hard to give up a flopped straight so you could check-call for showdown.
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Old 01-13-2007, 04:04 AM
SABR42 SABR42 is offline
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Default Re: 100nl deep - flopped straight, paired turn

You should have the raised the flop to about $40.

The hand plays itself if you do that.
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Old 01-13-2007, 04:13 AM
Zaid_Ahmed Zaid_Ahmed is offline
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Default Re: 100nl deep - flopped straight, paired turn

Tough spot. I don't like the whole raise to $60, call shove. If he's shoving after that raise, he's got you beat most times and you're drawing to one out. A raise to $40 and a fold to a shove is one option, or just check/call him down.
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Old 01-13-2007, 05:17 AM
lynxman73 lynxman73 is offline
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Default Re: 100nl deep - flopped straight, paired turn

As a sidenote, why didn't you raise preflop here?

Other than that, villain either has it or he doesn't, I don't know what good raising the turn does, as you have the only possible flush draw, I say keep the pot medium sized sized and call a reasonable sized river bet if a club or non-stupid card falls, and check behind if checked to on the river if a club falls, but bet 1/2 to 3/4ths pot if checked to. What did you do?
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Old 01-13-2007, 05:35 AM
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Default Re: 100nl deep - flopped straight, paired turn

raise pre-flop
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Old 01-13-2007, 06:20 AM
MyTurn2Raise MyTurn2Raise is offline
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Default Re: 100nl deep - flopped straight, paired turn

push the flop on the second go around

villain already bet/3-bet

help him get his chips in like he wants


seems like a ridiculous overbet, but he wants the big pot

villain hand range is two broadway clubs, AA-KK, a set, A6 clubs, or another 45

you're good v all and can extract alot of value from a set, another 45, or even two big clubs calling (which will happen quite a bit)



sometimes, the 1/2 pot to full pot to 3X the raise just goes out the window
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Old 01-13-2007, 01:13 PM
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Default Re: 100nl deep - flopped straight, paired turn

Raising pre-flop... I might be wrong in my thinking, but I thought it would be better to play a 4-way pot in position with the blinds. I do isolate very often on the button with AT+, most pairs, but I find myself limping suited-connectors.
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