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Old 09-25-2006, 12:04 PM
munkey munkey is offline
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Default KQs NL50 6max vs shortround

Reads: no reads 12 hands with villan, but he is a shortie.

How do I play this better , I think I played it pretty bad?
If I check the turn he can bluff the flush.
If I bet the turn then I'm prety much commited if he calls.

Thoughts plz as I'm lost.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $74.95
CO: $66.35
Button: $13.90
SB: $49.50
Hero: $90.70

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2.25, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2.25</font>, 2 folds, Button calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($6.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $3.5</font>, Hero calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($13.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button is all-in $7.65</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $29.05
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Old 09-25-2006, 12:13 PM
Colonel Kataffy Colonel Kataffy is offline
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Default Re: KQs NL50 6max vs shortround

Some times I raise preflop if i think i can win with bet on the flop.

here, he's got 13 bucks, you've got top pair good kicker. I say get all in.
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Old 09-25-2006, 12:13 PM
Shaddux Shaddux is offline
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Default Re: KQs NL50 6max vs shortround

I probably just lead turn and river.

Does anyone think he pays off a crAI on turn with weaker kings or flush draws? If so, then with his stack, this might be a good play. I'm not sure about this though--I'm never sure about check raises.
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Old 09-25-2006, 12:23 PM
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Default Re: KQs NL50 6max vs shortround

I bet the Turn, no reason to think he will bet it for you, and there are enough cards that i don't want him to see for free...if he raises all in, it's a no sweat call with his stack.
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Old 09-25-2006, 12:40 PM
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Default Re: KQs NL50 6max vs shortround

ya bet/call turn i dont want to give a diamond a free card since i'm calling the river. and i want his whole stack and if turn gets checked through that's a bit of an overbet on the river.
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Old 09-25-2006, 01:16 PM
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Default Re: KQs NL50 6max vs shortround

[ QUOTE ]
Does anyone think he pays off a crAI on turn with weaker kings or flush draws? If so, then with his stack, this might be a good play. I'm not sure about this though--I'm never sure about check raises.

[/ QUOTE ] I like this play. It gives us an opportunity to get value from his worse Kings or even worse.
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Old 09-25-2006, 01:25 PM
BukNaked36 BukNaked36 is offline
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Default Re: KQs NL50 6max vs shortround

Raise preflop.
Bet the turn.

This is the real problem -

"Reads: no reads 12 hands with villan, but he is a shortie."

What normal hands are you beating - KT &amp; K9 is about it, plus this is an unraised pot, so you'll run into 2 random diamonds a lot.

Getting away from this hand on the river is about your only real hope. It's always OK to fold if you know you're beat.

If you didn't get that vibe, then losing 30 BB with TP2K against a shorty isn't horrible.
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Old 09-25-2006, 01:40 PM
Happy Time Harry Happy Time Harry is offline
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Default Re: KQs NL50 6max vs shortround

Preflop I'd probably use my image to decide whether I'm raising.

Pot-sized bet on the flop looks good.

Personally, I'd bet the turn, but if I check I'd probably be check-raising AI.
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Old 09-26-2006, 07:28 AM
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Default Re: KQs NL50 6max vs shortround

Tks, for the replies.

3 limpers - I decided to just check - didn't want to raise OOP potentially 4-way.

I chose to check the turn to see from his bet if he would 'tell' me he had a flush, intending to c/r AI or fold but didn't really feel any more info so called.

Buknaked,
I see your point about his hand range - I mainly considered Kx in his range, - you mention 2 random diamonds are quite a large part of his range since this is an unraised pot - I should have considerd this.

Now I think bet the turn is best, for the reasons given by you all above.

tks all for the replies, hope this hand wasn't too trivial (I need to rebuild my confidence at the mo and this situation pops up quite often at FT)- I just wanted to check how to handle a scare card vs unknown short - I think I tend to give them either too much or too little credit.
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