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Old 09-24-2006, 02:50 PM
Nuck Nuck is offline
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Default nl25 AA on ugly flop

villain has 5 pfr and around 40 vpip
i put him on KK/QQ/JJ, but his bet sizes were so small that i decided to call him down, what do you think about my play here?

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG+1 ($24.96)
<font color="#C00000">MP1 ($23.59)</font>
MP2 ($4.75)
MP3 ($3.75)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($24.90)</font>
Button ($23.75)
SB ($21.89)
BB ($15)
UTG ($12.15)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $0.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.1</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $1.85, MP1 calls $1.60.

Flop: ($6.65) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2, UTG folds.

Turn: ($10.65) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2.

River: ($14.65) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $1</font>, Hero calls $1.

Final Pot: $16.65
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Old 09-24-2006, 02:59 PM
ughaulkghalugh ughaulkghalugh is offline
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Default Re: nl25 AA on ugly flop

i would raise the turn for a free showdown.
and for value too i guess
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Old 09-24-2006, 03:16 PM
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Default Re: nl25 AA on ugly flop

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i would raise the turn for a free showdown.
and for value too i guess

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Raising the turn will accomplish neither of those.

I like a raise on the flop and then probably enter shutdownmode after that if called.
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Old 09-24-2006, 03:18 PM
ughaulkghalugh ughaulkghalugh is offline
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Default Re: nl25 AA on ugly flop

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i would raise the turn for a free showdown.
and for value too i guess

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Raising the turn will accomplish neither of those.

I like a raise on the flop and then probably enter shutdownmode after that if called.

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villain never has aq/aj here?
maybe not so much free showdown.
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Old 09-24-2006, 04:15 PM
Three Sigma Three Sigma is offline
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Default Re: nl25 AA on ugly flop

I may be too aggressive, but I re-pop it to $8 on the flop and shut down after that if called.
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Old 09-24-2006, 04:30 PM
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Default Re: nl25 AA on ugly flop

raising the turn is spew.

make a move on the flop I'd make it $9 to go, shutdown to further aggression.

it's not that bad a flop, we have an overpair and a gutshot and it's the nut draw so we're only really worried about a flopped straight (unlikely) or flopped 2pair, the board pairs so unless he has a K or KK (KK is unlikely given preflop action) we are usually good.

This looks like AK/AQ/AJ/KQ if villain called my flop raise and made tiny bets turn and river I'd calldown as well.

as played I think ths calldown is fine. KK/QQ/JJ are possible but this looks more like AK I think.
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Old 09-24-2006, 05:02 PM
Art Vandalay Art Vandalay is offline
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Default Re: nl25 AA on ugly flop

Raise the flop, and if villain calls, c/c the turn and river if he's going to continue to make tiny bets.
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Old 09-24-2006, 05:15 PM
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Default Re: nl25 AA on ugly flop

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Raise the flop, and if villain calls, c/c the turn and river if he's going to continue to make tiny bets.

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I agree.

And I hope villain had a K here and won the smallest pot possible against an opponent who has aces.
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Old 09-24-2006, 09:48 PM
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Default Re: nl25 AA on ugly flop

What an awful flop.

I think calling is best (on the flop). I don't see what raising accomplishes...I suppose value from AK/etc, but if he calls a raise, ugh.

I don't really mind calling down, but I think that you are losing value somewhere. I would probably value raise the river.
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Old 09-24-2006, 10:00 PM
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I don't really mind calling down, but I think that you are losing value somewhere. I would probably value raise the river.

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for value vs what hand?
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