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Old 09-23-2006, 07:26 AM
redCashion redCashion is offline
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Default Should I call off all my chips with heart draw?

The table was quite aggressive. And there was one player I was targeting due to the fact that he had called off all his chips to me with a pair of sixes the previous day (though unfortunately he wasn't in this hand).

I figured I was up against I guy with a marginal top pair like holding, who was trying to isolate against the small stack. But I'm not used to calling off all of my chips on a draw. What would you do?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (7 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero ($29.24)
MP2 ($30.90)
CO ($32.95)
Button ($4.40)
SB ($1.65)
BB ($24.16)
UTG ($23.16)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.75.

Flop: ($4.35) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button calls $3.40 (All-In), UTG folds, Hero calls $3.40, MP2 calls $29.90 (All-In), Hero?
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Old 09-23-2006, 07:30 AM
avfletch avfletch is offline
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Default Re: Should I call off all my chips with heart draw?

Fold preflop. You don't want to play an speculative hand OOP.

Fold flop both times. You're not getting correct odds to draw to this flush either time so just fold. You don't need to play every draw you flop.
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Old 09-23-2006, 07:32 AM
Jouster777 Jouster777 is offline
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Default Re: Should I call off all my chips with heart draw?

Instant muck...you are up against two made hands with only 9 outs.
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Old 09-23-2006, 07:37 AM
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Default Re: Should I call off all my chips with heart draw?

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Instant muck...you are up against two made hands with at best 9 outs.

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FYP
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Old 09-23-2006, 07:40 AM
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Default Re: Should I call off all my chips with heart draw?

I was playing speculative hands only because of the make-up of the table. My stats are about 21/8/2 so I am fairly tight. But the implied odds were that any time I hit my hand I was going to stack someone.

I also usually muck my draws when they get expensive, but I thought I was getting almost 2:1 (25 into a 40 dollar pot) here with when I'm drawing at about 3:2 so I thought that was good?

Also, the original 3.40 call, I've heard as as rule of thumb (Gavin Smith from the Circuit mentioned this) that when up against 2 opponents calling up to pot sized bets on a flush draw is pricing you in. Am I mistaken there? Is there a rule of thumb on flush draws?
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Old 09-23-2006, 07:53 AM
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Default Re: Should I call off all my chips with heart draw?

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I also usually muck my draws when they get expensive, but I thought I was getting almost 2:1 (25 into a 40 dollar pot) here with when I'm drawing at about 3:2 so I thought that was good?

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Your odds of hitting the flush with 9 outs are about 1.85:1 (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). You are getting 2.27:1. So the call would be good, but only if your opponent does not have hearts. But what changes this into a bad call is the big stack left to act after you.

Edit: i am talking about the first call here.

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Also, the original 3.40 call, I've heard as as rule of thumb (Gavin Smith from the Circuit mentioned this) that when up against 2 opponents calling up to pot sized bets on a flush draw is pricing you in. Because you are getting 3:1 when you are 3:2 to hit. Am I mistaken there?

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This is true, but only if you are last to act.
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Old 09-23-2006, 08:00 AM
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Default Re: Should I call off all my chips with heart draw?

Thanks akkahai..
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