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Old 09-22-2006, 01:47 PM
phydaux phydaux is offline
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Default 4th nut on the River - Raise or just call?

First hand of the sesssion, so no reads.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($4.78)
MP1 ($1.96)
Hero ($2)
MP3 ($5.51)
CO ($1.80)
Button ($2.95)
SB ($2.99)
BB ($4.07)
UTG ($4.94)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.02.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.02, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $0.08</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $0.08, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $0.07, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.06.

Flop: ($0.34) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.2</font>, CO folds, SB calls $0.20, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: ($0.74) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($0.74) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $0.3</font>, Hero...

No way I'm folding my flush. The board is unpaired, but my flush is only 4th nut. Do I just call? Is a raise for value or a spew?
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Old 09-22-2006, 01:51 PM
Freelancer Freelancer is offline
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Default Re: 4th nut on the River - Raise or just call?

Raise raise raise everyday of the week. The question should be; how do I get as much money from him??

Edit; Je bent short, rebuy naar full. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 09-22-2006, 01:52 PM
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Default Re: 4th nut on the River - Raise or just call?

Raise for value, call a push. Lots of uNL (new acronym, yay) players will check that turn with an A, hoping you'll bet at it again. Then they'll proceed to pay you off when you outdraw them anyway.
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Old 09-22-2006, 01:53 PM
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Default Re: 4th nut on the River - Raise or just call?

Raise that river. Unless I'm missing something, you don't have any information to suggest that you're behind.
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Old 09-22-2006, 02:14 PM
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Default Re: 4th nut on the River - Raise or just call?

The question is what are you going to do if your river raise is reraised? If it would make you puke in fear of a higher flush (possible), then just call villian's river lead and see a showdown.
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Old 09-22-2006, 02:22 PM
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Default Re: 4th nut on the River - Raise or just call?

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The question is what are you going to do if your river raise is reraised? If it would make you puke in fear of a higher flush (possible), then just call villian's river lead and see a showdown.

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you should be shoving, a potsized raise is to 1.6, and you have about 1.7 left
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Old 09-22-2006, 02:22 PM
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Default Re: 4th nut on the River - Raise or just call?

Well, it's the 3rd nut on the river, and yeah I agree with everyone else, raise. Also, I'd bet the turn here.
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Old 09-22-2006, 02:30 PM
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Default Re: 4th nut on the River - Raise or just call?

To the villain, it appears you raised pf, c-bet a flop you apparently missed, and shut down. Raise the river and push if re-raised.
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Old 09-22-2006, 02:30 PM
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Default Re: 4th nut on the River - Raise or just call?

If you're going to bet the flop here, shouldn't you be potting it? It seems to me like we're sacrificing fold equtiy with a &lt;2/3 pot bet.
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Old 09-22-2006, 02:32 PM
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Default Re: 4th nut on the River - Raise or just call?

Raise all in. You will be ahead almost always.
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