Defending BB two hands

spigge · #1 01-23-2006, 06:27 AM

Hand 1;

no reads of either opponent
didn't like to fold pre-flop becouse SB has called and just one sb to call.
what troubles me was it ok to resort to call down mode or should I have folded becouse there was flush and straight possibility and he might be stealing with AJ AT JT ?

Full Tilt Poker
Limit holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
5 folds, CO raises, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6SB, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 9BB

hand 2;

opponent was tight aggressive over about 20-30 hands
fold to his 3-bet?

Full Tilt Poker
Limit holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

3 folds, Button bets, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (1.5SB, 6 players)

Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2.75BB, 2 players)

Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.75BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 7.25BB

goofyballer · #2 01-23-2006, 06:40 AM

Hand 1, I call down because I'm a fish.

Hand 2, I think you can assume you're beat after the 3-bet. Against a TAG opponent, his range after that point has you smoked. You can peel off a turn getting 9:1 (even that's close) since your only huge fear is AQ, but I fold the turn UI.

Bubbles · #3 01-23-2006, 07:34 AM

Hand 1: Perfect. Don't fold top pair here.

Hand 2: I agree with goofyballer. Peel one and fold the turn UI.

Webster · #4 01-23-2006, 08:11 AM

If you are going to "defend the blind" defend it and don't call in to his raise - reraise. send a message, shoot one across his bow!

Hand 1 - reraise pre flop - then do what you did.

Hand 2 - reraose pre flop

If nothing else and you don't hit or come close to hitting at least he might think twice next time.

And remember - 90% of the time the are not stealing but raising with good cards.

Nick Royale · #5 01-23-2006, 08:17 AM

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If you are going to "defend the blind" defend it and don't call in to his raise - reraise. send a message, shoot one across his bow!

Hand 1 - reraise pre flop - then do what you did.

Hand 2 - reraose pre flop

If nothing else and you don't hit or come close to hitting at least he might think twice next time.

And remember - 90% of the time the are not stealing but raising with good cards.

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Hero played these hands well preflop. 3-betting A2s oop 3-ways isn't good. And 3-betting Q9s isn't good either.

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And remember - 90% of the time the are not stealing but raising with good cards.

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This is an argument for calling.

Bubbles · #6 01-23-2006, 08:20 AM

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Hand 1 - reraise pre flop - then do what you did.

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I don't know... With SB still in there, what do you do with your weak hand if it misses? Say a flop like Q-9-6 rainbow. You can't bully two players OOP with an overcard. I definitely favor a call here.