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Huggy
07-23-2007, 05:49 AM
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UTG ($60.55)
MP ($197.40)
Button ($849.50)
Hero ($249.55)
BB ($335.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $28</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $20.

Flop: ($58) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $36</font>, MP calls $36.

Turn: ($130) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $60</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $133.4</font>, Hero calls $73.40.

River: ($396.80) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $396.80

My table image is TAG and a lil bit of a bluffer
Villans VPIP was 16 and PF was 12

What do you do on turn? Do you call the all-in? What range do we put villan on?

primate
07-23-2007, 07:03 AM
Fold. You've fired out 3 times showing agg and he still shoves it in your face. You don't even have tptk Take it on the chin.

mertzo
07-23-2007, 07:05 AM
c/r turn

spyderracing
07-23-2007, 07:07 AM
Bet more on the flop, C/Rai on the turn.

primate
07-23-2007, 07:07 AM
Just looked back over the pot sizes. You cant fold, your pot comitted

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Daddy Warbucks
07-23-2007, 07:08 AM
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c/r turn

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Is villain really likely to fire turn when a horrible card comes out? I think check/call turn, check fold river? Maybe bet fold if the turn is checked back? What worse hands do we get value from?

mertzo
07-23-2007, 07:11 AM
Since you cant fold c/c is really bad. c/r or maybe lead, or else every hand you beat will just check it down. Stacksizes are 2 small for him to fire river as a bluff

spyderracing
07-23-2007, 07:14 AM
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c/r turn

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Is villain really likely to fire turn when a horrible card comes out? I think check/call turn, check fold river? Maybe bet fold if the turn is checked back? What worse hands do we get value from?

[/ QUOTE ] I see QQ/KK fire here from time to time. Yes it's irrational, but it happens.

Personally I don't like 3-betting an UTG+1 raise from such a nit with AQs, but you did and you just hit your card. Go to the felt with it. OP's bet sizing is crap so I garuntee he gets more value from almost anything by C/R'ing than betting out.

oyvindgee
07-23-2007, 07:22 AM
c/f. Seriously

Sly_Fox
07-23-2007, 08:20 AM
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c/f. Seriously

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Huggy
07-23-2007, 08:25 AM
Should i have folded AQ pF?

Wolfram
07-23-2007, 08:29 AM
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c/f. Seriously

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Yeah. Villain is 16/12, raised utg+1 and called a 3bet. We're beating KK/QQ and losing to everything else in his range (unless he does funky stuff like calling 3bets in position with suited connectors).

Up-grey-de
07-23-2007, 08:40 AM
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c/f. Seriously

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Yeah. Villain is 16/12, raised utg+1 and called a 3bet. We're beating KK/QQ and losing to everything else in his range (unless he does funky stuff like calling 3bets in position with suited connectors).

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True, but first off I probably would not have 3-bet him OOP preflop since he´s 16/12. But when you do and he calls and we miss the flop, I´d just checkfold.

luckbox666
07-23-2007, 09:24 AM
It's hard to fold here with the pot odds, but the line seems like the nut flush draw, AK, AJ or JJ. He's not expecting you to fold...You're either way behind 3x or a 4:1 favorite once IMO. Fold to the raise. The A is a safe enough turn card to just check or call with.

Montezuma21
07-23-2007, 10:05 AM
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c/f. Seriously

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as crazy as this sounds, i'm actually liking this. He's unlikely to bet KK and he isn't calling PF with KsQs.

Also, i think PF 3-bet is fine: He folds enough of the time to make this +EV even without flop action.

cbboy
07-23-2007, 10:08 AM
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c/f. Seriously

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as crazy as this sounds, i'm actually liking this. He's unlikely to bet KK and he isn't calling PF with KsQs.

Also, i think PF 3-bet is fine: He folds enough of the time to make this +EV even without flop action.

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What hands would we put him on then? AA/JJ/AJ? AJ seems unlikely as he called a 3-bet PF, but it is possible, I guess. He probably doesn't call with the lower PP's that could have hit a set either (88/55).

Abramovic
07-23-2007, 10:09 AM
C/F is weak but it's hard to play otherwise.

Those saying c/f what are you putting villain on? Specifically AJ/JJ? I'd imagine he folds AK on the flop?

This is a tough spot.

Wolfram
07-23-2007, 10:29 AM
A/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif is in his range. Are we completely sure he won't float the flop with non-spade AK?