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kaz2107

09-26-2006, 12:46 AM

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saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($42.86)
SB ($18.47)
BB ($15)
Hero ($27.55)
MP ($26.01)
CO ($24.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, Button raises to $3.5, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($7.35) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $7, Hero calls $7.

Turn: ($21.35) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($21.35) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $20, Hero calls $17.05 (All-In).

Final Pot: $58.40

Reads and thought...

Villian was 32 23 4.5 over 97 hands. He hadnt gotten out of line with me up untill this point but was a decent player for nl25 was pretty aggressive.

I have been playin 25 16 4 and assume villian is decent enough to have a decent read on me and how i have been playing.

*QUESTION 1*
So iraise prelop and get reraised from the button. My first question is how tight is his ranger here? my range is decently wide here but i think i have a wider than average reraise ranges for 25nl. does 99+ AQ+ and maybe a suited connecter or two seem to wide?

*QUESTION 2*
So i call and then decide to play an extremely passive line here. I check and let him cbet and then decide on the turn where to go. Is this an ok line or should i be looking lead the flop here and then fold to a reraise or give up if called?

*QUESTION 3*
So i check the turn to try and not bloat the pot in such an akward spot. Villian checks behind which was sort of suprising. The river is another blank and i check again. Now villin pots it. Do i now need to call because i have shown so little strength that it has given him the green light to pot hands like AQ+ and all pocket pairs?

xwillience

09-26-2006, 01:23 AM

i think you played this perfectly.

AK47Suited

09-26-2006, 01:51 AM

as played bet 14 on river

Yaboosh

09-26-2006, 02:15 AM

The check is to give him an opportunity to try to bet with AK/AQ again. You bet, he folds these (likely) hands. You check, he may bluff at the pot.

I just don't know how many decent LAGs check behind this turn with an overpair. I just don't feel that is very likely, so I definitely call the river.

xwillience

09-26-2006, 02:30 AM

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as played bet 14 on river

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we only have 17 left?

Bukem_

09-26-2006, 02:32 AM

For all those who are calling, I'm assuming you are calling a4, 33, etc also.

xwillience

09-26-2006, 02:39 AM

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For all those who are calling, I'm assuming you are calling a4, 33, etc also.

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I dont think any of us woul have A4/33 in this situation.

tannenj

09-26-2006, 02:49 AM

if you're willing to felt your hand, this is the best way to do it.

kaz2107

09-26-2006, 10:43 AM

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if you're willing to felt your hand, this is the best way to do it.

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if not where do i let it go? because if im calling preflop this is almost the best flop i can shoot for???i dont see where i should let this go? if he fired the turn i thinki have a chance to let it go. but as the hand played out i dont see where i should b folding here.

EJXD2

09-26-2006, 11:11 AM

There's no way villain checks an overpair on the turn with straight and diamond draws out the wazoo. This is either a busted flush draw or a busted overcard draw. I check and call every time since betting the river would only make him fold, but you can pick off a bluff here.

Buckmulligan

09-26-2006, 11:45 AM

hmmm... Given the Lag read I think this is alright. Are we committed to calling all in after calling the flop though regardless of the turn or river (assuming it's no ace or king).

gimmetheloot

09-26-2006, 01:06 PM

Fold the river. You beat 99/AK/AQ/AJ...
Every mid pair got there. Him firing AK-AJ on the river when you likely holdings are mid pairs seem silly to me. I dont even think he should be firing AA/KK there really. But definitely fold the river.

kaz2107

09-26-2006, 04:35 PM

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hmmm... Given the Lag read I think this is alright. Are we committed to calling all in after calling the flop though regardless of the turn or river (assuming it's no ace or king).

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my original take during the hand was to call the flop and then fold to a river bet (assuming it was a reasonabe bet bigger then like 10.) i think he fires again on the turn with AA-QQ as well as sets and probably checks AQ+ more often then not.

on the river tho i think i have to call due to how much weakness i have shown through out the entire hand. i think my check on the turn and the river seals my fate to call a river bet.

Roadstar

09-26-2006, 05:49 PM

My advice is based on your read that villain is a decent LAG. To me this means, he is too loose and aggressive preflop and maybe flop (makes mistakes sometimes here) but plays well on the big streets when big bets go in.

With that read, I fold the river. Preflop villains range could be as wide as something like 22+, ATs+ some SCs but by the river, look at the board.

Almost all pairs beat you - 55,66,77 (straight), 88, TT, QQ+. And for those hands you beat, hes probably check behind those with some showdown value (99, ATs).

As played, if hes decent, hes pushing because hes way ahead of you. He's got to be bluffing more than a third of the time for this to be profitable because medium hands are no longer pooshing on the river into you.

I suggest putting some pressure on the turn and bet at least $10. A raise here by a decent lag would most likely suggest you're behind and you can fold to raise. If called then reevalute river.

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saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($42.86)
SB ($18.47)
BB ($15)
Hero ($27.55)
MP ($26.01)
CO ($24.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, Button raises to $3.5, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($7.35) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $7, Hero calls $7.

Turn: ($21.35) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($21.35) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $20, Hero calls $17.05 (All-In).

Final Pot: $58.40

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Roadstar

09-26-2006, 05:56 PM

True - but villain checks 77 and 44 here, and hit the river.

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There's no way villain checks an overpair on the turn with straight and diamond draws out the wazoo. This is either a busted flush draw or a busted overcard draw. I check and call every time since betting the river would only make him fold, but you can pick off a bluff here.

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IceMuncher

09-26-2006, 06:07 PM

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I suggest putting some pressure on the turn and bet at least $10. A raise here by a decent lag would most likely suggest you're behind and you can fold to raise. If called then reevalute river.

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I hate this line. You do realize that we only have $17, if we bet $10 we're pot committed ($7 left, $40 pot with his call, $47 if he pushes over). I don't think we can ever bet/fold on this turn.

Roadstar

09-26-2006, 06:11 PM

Haha misread stack size. Bet/call or poosh turn is ok then.

As played river is still a fold.