Passive line with PP, stuck with initial read.

[HumanACtor]

Thoughts on the hand: Post flop Im thinking villain caught a 3, because I thought with a 7 he would wait for my c-bet. So I put him on A3/34s/32s and kept him there while I looked for the showdown. Im still not sure what to think of my river call since disallowing the possibiliy of a 7 left me to believe the turn and river could not have helped villain.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($49.75)
CO ($57.55)
Button ($37.75)
SB ($32.95)
BB ($121.45)
UTG ($47.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($8.25) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $3.5</font>, Hero calls $3.50.

River: ($15.25) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $8</font>, Hero calls $8.

Final Pot: $31.25

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I like it. Sometimes you're shown a slightly higher pp, sometimes lower but the betting is pretty cheap. Hope he didn't have 66. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[HumanACtor]

I guess I'm wondering too if anyone thinks a raise is in order here and where.

[xwillience]

I raise the flop and thats the last money Im putting in the middle probably.

edit: when I read the title I saw passive and was thinking the villain is passive. I dont mind how it played out I would expect to see a small PP a lot.

[Dan Bitel]

I like how you playd this hand

[VashJuggalo]

I don't mind the way you played it. I usually go with a raise on the flop though, just to clear the air.

[ColdSteel]

When someone bets out like this, I usually have them on either a weak made hand or a weak draw. In either case, I like raising this flop.

[Bonesy]

Just wondering why people advocate a flop raise here. That is one dry flop. Isn't this WA/WB? Why fold weaker hands? I'm mainly a limit player and now play NL25. If hero raises and villain just calls, what is the plan if the cards fall as they did?

[Dan Bitel]

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When someone bets out like this, I usually have them on either a weak made hand or a weak draw. In either case, I like raising this flop.

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well considering the only draw is a gutshot, and any worse made hand prob folds to a raise, I think the best line is to let him keep bluffing/vb worse hand

[ColdSteel]

bonsey: I advocate a raise so that the opponent is making a mistake when he decides to continue in the hand.

dbitel: how often do you think a typical nl25er keeps semibluffing a gutshot on the turn? I dont think its very often.

[Dan Bitel]

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dbitel: how often do you think a typical nl25er keeps semibluffing a gutshot on the turn? I dont think its very often.

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more often than i need protection vs a 11:1 shot

[gimmetheloot]

I dont think a river fold would be bad. I think this was played pretty well too though.

[Redd]

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When someone bets out like this, I usually have them on either a weak made hand or a weak draw. In either case, I like raising this flop.

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well considering the only draw is a gutshot, and any worse made hand prob folds to a raise, I think the best line is to let him keep bluffing/vb worse hand

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So how would you play differently on a 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif6/images/graemlins/heart.gif7/images/graemlins/club.gif flop?

[RolloRolf]

With you just calling him down it get's really hard to put him on a hand. Really need to know villans playing style.

A raise on the flop or turn would help telling you where you're at.

My guess (read??) is 10 10 or 8 8

[Dan Bitel]

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A raise on the flop or turn would help telling you where you're at.

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thats not a good reason to raise

[Antinome]

If your hand has showdown value, there are no obvious draws, a raise makes worse hands fold and better hands call, and villian is cooperating at getting to showdown cheap- calling down is usually the best option.

Don't bet for information when the only information you can get is utterly useless.

I know we're all wired up for aggression, but a passive line is best here. Really.

[HumanACtor]

ok thanks for the input

Results:
<font color="white">villain had 45o for a straight </font>

[Shaddux]

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Don't bet for information when the only information you can get is utterly useless.

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[Shaddux]

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dbitel: how often do you think a typical nl25er keeps semibluffing a gutshot on the turn? I dont think its very often.

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All the more reason not to raise.