Semi-Bluffing and the Turn

[T.J. Combo]

No hand history available, too lazy to look through WPEX hand history folder and find it.

WPEX 0.05/0.10 $10 NL y'all

Hero is Button with J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif T /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Folded to CO, CO limps, Hero raises .40, SB folds, BB calls, CO folds.

Flop: Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5 /images/graemlins/club.gif
BB checks, Hero bets .70, BB calls .70

Turn: A /images/graemlins/club.gif
BB checks, Hero?

My draw just got stronger, do I keep betting and hope for a fold or just check behind and get the free card?

[EMc]

I like a second barrel here.

[Jay Riall]

Definitely second barrel this turn.

[T.J. Combo]

Next Question:

How big of a second barrel? Pot is currently $2.35.

1/2 - 2/3 sound safe? Like a $1.50 or so for this pot?

[Sir Winalot]

2nd barrel for 2/3-pot.

[Shaddux]

I pot this turn every time.

[Freelancer]

It depends on the villain, against a known calling station obviously check after. Against anything semi-decent 2nd barrel the bastard.

And yeah 2/3 2nd barrel sounds good, a value bet from me would also be seized that much.

[Brent.]

TBH, I am often checking behind in these spots. I get to the turn and I'm like "OMG I GOT A DRAW AND A FREE CARD IS ON THE WAY!!", then I miss the river and they win the showdown with their K8o. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

To all advocating the second barrel here....are we betting with the intent of calling a C/R AI or whaaa?

[True]

Easiest 2nd barrel ever. Even the densest player can't help thinking omg maybe he has an ace. And even if he's a station, he could have a pair of eights or worse and then a call would be pretty astonishing.

[xwillience]

How would you play KQ/QJ here?

betting, meh. If you had a made hand already you would be protecting your hand in this spot. I dont expect villian to fold though unless he is drawing himself. and if you make your hand on the river you might not get paid off that much.

[kokiri]

the question is what you do if check raised - if the stacks are such or you are a nit and you would fold to a C/R, then check behind.

the worst thing you can do here is to get folded out of seeing the river.

[Brent.]

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To all advocating the second barrel here....are we betting with the intent of calling a C/R AI or whaaa?

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[xwillience]

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the worst thing you can do here is to get folded out of seeing the river.

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this is very true.