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uminchu

09-23-2006, 11:43 AM

no reads on villains just sat down, but both limped so im not seeing AK KQ here too often, i was more worried about the frushh, anybody betting this turn (its just soo ugly kills all action or my hand), I think my line extracts the most value when im ahead and loses me the least when im behind what you guys think?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+2 ($4.30)
MP1 ($15.41)
MP2 ($25.07)
MP3 ($4.80)
CO ($18.35)
Button ($39.75)
SB ($9.75)
Hero ($28.50)
UTG ($10)
UTG+1 ($21.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
3 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, Button calls $0.25, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.95, MP1 calls $0.95, Button folds, SB calls $0.95.

Turn: ($3.85) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks.

River: ($3.85) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets $3.77, Hero calls $3.77, MP1 calls $3.77.

Final Pot: $15.16

MrMxyztplk

09-23-2006, 11:53 AM

I think you might have to fold the river, as disgusting as that is. When the first to act on the river bets out, it's often because he missed value on the turn and doesn't want to risk it again. Plus, having MP1 behind you makes it that much worse. Crappy spot...

uminchu

09-23-2006, 11:57 AM

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I think you might have to fold the river, as disgusting as that is. When the first to act on the river bets out, it's often because he missed value on the turn and doesn't want to risk it again. Plus, having MP1 behind you makes it that much worse. Crappy spot...

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you know during the day i would have folded this, but my spider senses were tingling and my weak turn check paid off, as qj was betting and A3H called down for the straight too scoop, but yeah im folding this like all day long most to a complete unkknown, i just didnt see SB not betting his flush draw, (I had seen him do it just a couple hands earlier, but forgot to mention that in OP), could have been a lot of reasons for not betting flush draw I know, coordinated flop, no PFR lots of stuff, but something just didnt sit right with the bet so i called and win

Dunkman

09-23-2006, 11:59 AM

Bet turn, call river...I think you're seeing monsters.

uminchu

09-23-2006, 12:12 PM

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Bet turn, call river...I think you're seeing monsters.

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two callers on that board and your not worried about floosh at all?

MrMxyztplk

09-23-2006, 12:15 PM

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Bet turn, call river...I think you're seeing monsters.

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two callers on that board and your not worried about floosh at all?

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I would be. The standard muSNL flush line is c/c flop, check turn, bet near-pot on the river. SOOOOOOOOOOOOO obvious.

mattnxtc

09-23-2006, 12:45 PM

dont be afraid just b/c 3 spades hit the board...that flop probably hit in some way but it doesnt mean a flush hit..id probably bet 2 on the turn and see how they react...dont play scared

Dunkman

09-23-2006, 01:02 PM

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Bet turn, call river...I think you're seeing monsters.

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two callers on that board and your not worried about floosh at all?

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Bet/fold on the turn is cheaper than calling the PSB on the river if you're behind. Yeah I'm concerned about a full house and a flush, I didn't say push, but I'd bet the turn.

Godfather80

09-23-2006, 01:08 PM

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no reads on villains just sat down, but both limped so im not seeing AK KQ here too often, i was more worried about the frushh, anybody betting this turn (its just soo ugly kills all action or my hand), I think my line extracts the most value when im ahead and loses me the least when im behind what you guys think?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+2 ($4.30)
MP1 ($15.41)
MP2 ($25.07)
MP3 ($4.80)
CO ($18.35)
Button ($39.75)
SB ($9.75)
Hero ($28.50)
UTG ($10)
UTG+1 ($21.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
3 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, Button calls $0.25, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.95, MP1 calls $0.95, Button folds, SB calls $0.95.

Turn: ($3.85) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks.

River: ($3.85) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets $3.77, Hero calls $3.77, MP1 calls $3.77.

Final Pot: $15.16

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To me, this is one of those flops that you bet the hell out of; mostly because the hands that hit this flop are excited to hit it but are still worse than yours.

As played, the river is a call for me.

avfletch

09-23-2006, 01:09 PM

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no reads on villains just sat down, but both limped so im not seeing AK KQ here too often, i was more worried about the frushh, anybody betting this turn (its just soo ugly kills all action or my hand), I think my line extracts the most value when im ahead and loses me the least when im behind what you guys think?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+2 ($4.30)
MP1 ($15.41)
MP2 ($25.07)
MP3 ($4.80)
CO ($18.35)
Button ($39.75)
SB ($9.75)
Hero ($28.50)
UTG ($10)
UTG+1 ($21.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
3 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, Button calls $0.25, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.95, MP1 calls $0.95, Button folds, SB calls $0.95.

Turn: ($3.85) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks.

River: ($3.85) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets $3.77, Hero calls $3.77, MP1 calls $3.77.

Final Pot: $15.16

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To me, this is one of those flops that you bet the hell out of; mostly because the hands that hit this flop are excited to hit it but are still worse than yours.

As played, the river is a call for me.

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How much more would you bet here? OP is already PSB'ing this flop.

EMc

09-23-2006, 01:12 PM

I dont think a b/f on the turn will work since villain will likely just flat call. I like heros line here. He may lose some value from a naked king, but not a ton, and wont lose a lot to the flush.

Godfather80

09-23-2006, 01:18 PM

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no reads on villains just sat down, but both limped so im not seeing AK KQ here too often, i was more worried about the frushh, anybody betting this turn (its just soo ugly kills all action or my hand), I think my line extracts the most value when im ahead and loses me the least when im behind what you guys think?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+2 ($4.30)
MP1 ($15.41)
MP2 ($25.07)
MP3 ($4.80)
CO ($18.35)
Button ($39.75)
SB ($9.75)
Hero ($28.50)
UTG ($10)
UTG+1 ($21.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
3 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, Button calls $0.25, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.95, MP1 calls $0.95, Button folds, SB calls $0.95.

Turn: ($3.85) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks.

River: ($3.85) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets $3.77, Hero calls $3.77, MP1 calls $3.77.

Final Pot: $15.16

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To me, this is one of those flops that you bet the hell out of; mostly because the hands that hit this flop are excited to hit it but are still worse than yours.

As played, the river is a call for me.

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How much more would you bet here? OP is already PSB'ing this flop.

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In these situations, I would overbet the pot. Again, their is a dollar in there, so I'm talking about betting $2. My rationale is: the worse hands that hit this flop will pay more, while the worse hands that missed this flop aren't paying a dime anyway.

If you don't feel like an overbet is right, can you tell me why? Do you feel you earn more in the long run by making a PSB?

ColdSteel

09-23-2006, 04:15 PM

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I dont think a b/f on the turn will work since villain will likely just flat call. I like heros line here. He may lose some value from a naked king, but not a ton, and wont lose a lot to the flush.

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Me too. He got bets in on two streets with a marginal hand with showdown value. Looks good to me!

By the way, I might overbet the flop. But you have to do this when you have a draw too.

Shaddux

09-23-2006, 04:43 PM

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Bet turn, call river...I think you're seeing monsters.

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