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BigTurkey
05-06-2006, 10:51 PM
UTG is LAG pre-flop

MP2 is loose/passive, drunk, and has been chasing longshots too the river all night.

BB is a pit boss at another casino. She is LAG, reads hands fairly well, but seems to go limp on the river without a clear winner. She misapplies concepts like "free showdown" raises on the turn. She will bet as a bluff when it looks like she might pick up the pot, but she lacks killer instinct

UTG calls, I raise Kings in MP1, MP2 calls, donk calls on the button, BB calls, LAG calls and we all call.

(~10SB)Flop: J57

BB bets, LAG raises all-in, I 3bet, MP2 calls, BB calls

(10BB)Turn:8

BB bets, I call, MP2 calls

River: 9

BB bets, MP2 is ready to muck, I?

chesspain
05-06-2006, 11:04 PM
1) It's difficult to analyze this hand without knowing the suits of any of the cards.
2) Did you consider raising the turn?

BigTurkey
05-06-2006, 11:35 PM
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1) It's difficult to analyze this hand without knowing the suits of any of the cards.
2) Did you consider raising the turn?

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My bad. I really don't remember the suits. I don't think there was a flush draw on the flop, but I'm not sure.

I considered raising the turn but I wasn't certain she wouldn't three bet with two pair. If I intend to call a river bet anyway and a three bet means trips or better, this might be a good line. After I decided not to raise my tentative plan was to fold to a river bet if a 4 or a 9 came.

James.
05-06-2006, 11:35 PM
raise the freakin' turn already. my gosh. after that call. pots too big to fold, even though you let everyone and their mother draw for cheap. hand protection?

chesspain
05-06-2006, 11:50 PM
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I considered raising the turn but I wasn't certain she wouldn't three bet with two pair.

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Or we could even be drawing dead to a 46/68/T9 straight. Futhermore, if you're confident in your read on her and she three-bets the turn, you can probably fold the river if you don't improve and the board doesn't pair, even though the pot will then be rather bloated.

BigTurkey
05-07-2006, 12:45 AM
raising and calling a 3bet seems like bigtime spewage to me. I'm a significant dog to her range and there's only one guy behind me.

RyanCMU
05-07-2006, 02:08 AM
I raise the turn often here. Since u said she is lag she could be playing TP this agressivly.