KK NL 50 RR-ed pot

Tony Montana 22 · #1 06-20-2007, 06:25 AM

basically unknown villan (have 50 hands 17/11) and I figure his range to be AJs+ 99+ QJs +

He could have TT/99/AA here of course and if he does I am toast, but he could also have a few fd/sd combinations.

I hate my turn c/c and think I should have crai here.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($45.50)
Hero ($68.20)
UTG ($45.05)
MP ($72.85)
CO ($49.20)
Button ($87.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Button raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6.5, UTG folds, Button calls $4.50.

Flop: ($13.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button calls $10.

Turn: ($33.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $12, Hero calls $12.

River: ($57.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $58.85 (All-In), Hero calls $39.70 (All-In).

Final Pot: $156.30

mertzo · #2 06-20-2007, 06:30 AM

vs unknown i would b/c here. vs aggro player who would bet draws here and sometimes float c/r is better

mertzo · #3 06-20-2007, 06:31 AM

talking about turn obv

monkover · #4 06-20-2007, 07:04 AM

what is villain´s af?
Here a read on villain helps tremendously.
But without reads I prob fold the turn. (prob going to get flamed for it) but when you call the turn bet villain has aexactly one psb left and he seems to love his hand. so he prob is going to push the river as he did. And i wouldn´t really be comfortable calling an all in from a 17/11 nit after you have shown a lot of strength and basically told him yougot a big overpair.

Emperor Norton · #5 06-20-2007, 07:16 AM

Board: Th 9c 3h 7c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.182% 41.40% 01.79% 510 22.00 { KhKs }
Hand 1: 56.818% 55.03% 01.79% 678 22.00 { 99+, 33 }

As of the turn, if we assume the worst-case scenario, we really just can't fold. The pot is too big, and we have too much equity. That said, I think I like a checkraise on the turn simply because some villains might be able to fold JJ to a second barrel, but if we check he'll probably bet to protect.

tiger_hall · #6 06-20-2007, 07:32 AM

on the river you only beat a missed draw..
if you think you are ahead then shove turn otherwise fold...
his turn bet seems like he is testing the water, as in, if you call you are drawing and he can shove river and take pot and if you raise then he can fold

matt85 · #7 06-20-2007, 08:10 AM

I would c/r turn ev-er-y time and call a push.

If hes got AA or a set bad luck but long run this is +++EV

matt85 · #8 06-20-2007, 08:17 AM

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what is villain´s af?
Here a read on villain helps tremendously.
But without reads I prob fold the turn. (prob going to get flamed for it) but when you call the turn bet villain has aexactly one psb left and he seems to love his hand. so he prob is going to push the river as he did. And i wouldn´t really be comfortable calling an all in from a 17/11 nit after you have shown a lot of strength and basically told him yougot a big overpair.

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I think by c/c small turn bet and checking river our hand is under repped so factor in the fact he thinks you could be drawing I think he's going bluff shove (or shove a hand you beat) a hell of a lot here when a blank hits.

monkover · #9 06-20-2007, 08:58 AM

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what is villain´s af?
Here a read on villain helps tremendously.
But without reads I prob fold the turn. (prob going to get flamed for it) but when you call the turn bet villain has aexactly one psb left and he seems to love his hand. so he prob is going to push the river as he did. And i wouldn´t really be comfortable calling an all in from a 17/11 nit after you have shown a lot of strength and basically told him yougot a big overpair.

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I think by c/c small turn bet and checking river our hand is under repped so factor in the fact he thinks you could be drawing I think he's going bluff shove (or shove a hand you beat) a hell of a lot here when a blank hits.

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don´t think so we are playing a nit. For the decision making process the af would be very helpful though

KellyD · #10 06-20-2007, 09:42 AM

Just calling on the flop, I put him on hearts or j/q. He tries to buy the pot with $12, I think that you were right that you should have crai. New to nl though so let me know if my logic is wrong.