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Old 04-18-2007, 09:21 PM
Kal With A K Kal With A K is offline
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Default Folding KK?

I'm in a cash game, in for $10, blinds .25-.5. I have $24. I'm 2nd to act. 1st to act straddles $1. I'm dealt KK(red), so I raise to $4. Person left of me pushes all in for $15. One player calls with $6 and is also all in. Everyone else folds to me.

I fold, thinking he has AA. He shows AK Spades, and I'm a little steamed. I think it was the right fold, considering that I showed strength and he re-raised, but I'm not 100% sure.

Any insights? Was it a good fold, or should I have called with KK?

Obviously, by the FTC of poker, it was the wrong move. But considering what I knew, should I have called?
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Old 04-18-2007, 09:29 PM
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Default Re: Folding KK?

This leads me to a general question:

When is it ok to fold great hands like AA and KK?
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Old 04-18-2007, 09:36 PM
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When is it ok to fold great hands like AA and KK?

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Preflop?

Never AA (except in very rare satellite situations), and almost never KK (without exceptional reads, and a huge amount of action before us).

On the hand in question it's a call by a wide wide margin.
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Old 04-18-2007, 09:37 PM
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Default Re: Folding KK?

I folded KK once when me and my opponent were both 300BB deep.
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Old 04-18-2007, 09:39 PM
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So, I should've called for sure? It just seemed he had rockets, considering he raised my raise, which shows strength.
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Old 04-18-2007, 09:47 PM
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So, I should've called for sure? It just seemed he had rockets, considering he raised my raise, which shows strength.

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With the stacks involved, and the equity in the pot, the big stack would have to show me aces before I folded. In this situation there's no player that plays tight enough to make this a fold without 100% certainty he has AA.

If the $6 all-in guy shows aces, I still call in a heartbeat.
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Old 04-18-2007, 09:51 PM
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Good point. Well, I'll try and remember that next time.
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Old 04-18-2007, 10:43 PM
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Default Re: Folding KK?

Depending upon the stakes, I simply won't let go of KK. I have seen far too many re-raises with 77-QQ and AK/AQ to ever let go of it in those situations. Rarely I will lose a bit pot to AA, but mostly I will just get my money in with the best.

As the stakes get more rarified I would expect this call to become drastically less profitable. Again, one must know their oppoenents.
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Old 04-18-2007, 11:28 PM
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CALL, this shows nothing..especially with the stacks. He could have 55 for christs sake. I vote call here 100% of the time. The only way you are folding preflop with KK is when you are both at least 70bbs deep and you have a great read on your opponent
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Old 04-18-2007, 11:36 PM
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I'm in a cash game, in for $10, blinds .25-.5. I have $24. I'm 2nd to act. 1st to act straddles $1. I'm dealt KK(red), so I raise to $4. Person left of me pushes all in for $15. One player calls with $6 and is also all in. Everyone else folds to me.

I fold...

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I have written and deleted a response about 5 times so far. Suffice it to say that I really don't care for your play. I don't think it is even close.
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