Tough Spot with 88

grindplz · #1 12-17-2006, 09:14 PM

SB is F.savage whos a pretty solid tag. 16.5/14/5 over the 800 or so hands ive played with him.

Ive been playing relatively loose and 3-betting / squeezing light. Thought he could also make this play with 45 and 44-77 along with the obv 22/33. Thoughts...

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Hero ($1250.05)
UTG ($1863.50)
Button ($2023)
SB ($4745)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Button raises to $40, SB calls $35, Hero raises to $130, Button calls $90, SB calls $90.

Flop: ($390) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $255, Button folds, SB raises to $1510, Hero calls $865.05 (All-In).

True · #2 12-17-2006, 09:17 PM

SB cc, calls again and then c/r here. I don't think calling is good.

erroneous · #3 12-17-2006, 09:44 PM

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Ive been playing relatively loose and 3-betting / squeezing light. Thought he could also make this play with 45 and 44-77 along with the obv 22/33.

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Do you have any history with Savage? Splashing around?

This really really really really really looks like 22-33 here. I think you're ahead here a very small % of the time. I'm folding here almost always.

grindplz · #4 12-17-2006, 09:47 PM

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Ive been playing relatively loose and 3-betting / squeezing light. Thought he could also make this play with 45 and 44-77 along with the obv 22/33.

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Do you have any history with Savage? Splashing around?

This really really really really really looks like 22-33 here. I think you're ahead here a very small % of the time. I'm folding here almost always.

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Nothing to crazy with him.

The main thing im unsure about here though is if we're folding 88 are we also folding AA-1010 cause vs his probable range isnt 88 most likely just as strong as AA/KK here considering preflop.

True · #5 12-17-2006, 10:07 PM

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Ive been playing relatively loose and 3-betting / squeezing light. Thought he could also make this play with 45 and 44-77 along with the obv 22/33.

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Do you have any history with Savage? Splashing around?

This really really really really really looks like 22-33 here. I think you're ahead here a very small % of the time. I'm folding here almost always.

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Nothing to crazy with him.

The main thing im unsure about here though is if we're folding 88 are we also folding AA-1010 cause vs his probable range isnt 88 most likely just as strong as AA/KK here considering preflop.

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AA is a lot better because he could have been slowplaying AA / KK pf also. But yes they are similar strength holdings.

Zach6668 · #6 12-17-2006, 10:17 PM

Does anybody reraise a bit more PF?

We're offering pretty good odds here for both players to come along.

I don't play MS SHNL, but the OP directed me to this thread, so I figured I'd chime in.

Is this reraise done as a squeeze, or for value. 4 handed, it's kinda a bit of both, so I think the size of the reraise is pretty important. I don't necessarily want to see a flop here 3-handed. I don't know te dynamics of the table at the time though.

On postflop, I think villain could play 22-77 exactly the same, as well as 88, 99. Doubtful TT-AA play this way, but I could see AA, KK mixing it up a bit here.

What about a suited connector type hand? I suppose 45s could be making this flop play as well.

Tough to say, but I don't hate the call, we do beat quite a bit of his range, imo.

- Zach

True · #7 12-17-2006, 10:19 PM

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Does anybody reraise a bit more PF?

We're offering pretty good odds here for both players to come along.

I don't play MS SHNL, but the OP directed me to this thread, so I figured I'd chime in.

Is this reraise done as a squeeze, or for value. 4 handed, it's kinda a bit of both, so I think the size of the reraise is pretty important. I don't necessarily want to see a flop here 3-handed. I don't know te dynamics of the table at the time though.

On postflop, I think villain could play 22-77 exactly the same, as well as 88, 99. Doubtful TT-AA play this way, but I could see AA, KK mixing it up a bit here.

What about a suited connector type hand? I suppose 45s could be making this flop play as well.

Tough to say, but I don't hate the call, we do beat quite a bit of his range, imo.

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vill prob doesnt have 45s given preflop

#8 12-17-2006, 10:21 PM

id probably muck to the shove. if button shoved i'd be more inclined to call.

Hoopster81 · #9 12-17-2006, 10:27 PM

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Does anybody reraise a bit more PF?

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Yes

I think it's a pretty easy fold on the flop

FishRoller · #10 12-17-2006, 10:43 PM

Dont reraise preflop 88. Fold to flop shove- almost nobody makes this play with mere overs. You don't beat anything. If he's solid TAG its 99.9% he has u beat- y the hell if he wuz solid tag would he call a preflop reraise with 45 off? You need some major history to make this kind of call.