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Old 11-29-2007, 06:13 PM
HEK HEK is offline
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Default Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.

i'm sorry but 3betting the flop is frigging horrible with these stacks.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:27 PM
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HEK I dont understand. So youre saying if we 3b the flop he never calls with a worse hand? So he folds like 90% of his range here? Hmm maybe you should be 3b bluffing more in this spot then. Like everytime someone crs. The only reason i WOULDNT 3b here is if I think he will fire some more shells with hands like 45 etc. But on a board this dry he will prolly give up with his air bluffs (or he should), so I think 3b the flop has more value. Also, I think Ive seen ansky post that he does 3ball air sometimes on flops vs ppl who raise the flop a lot, so he prolly can get a worse hand to call here. One more thing, I think it was jfish who said that he is bloating pots oop with marginal hands and we need to punish him for that. It will make him easier to play against in the future because he will be more passive with his ace hands in the future, thus narrowing his CR range, so we can play better in the big pots.

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Old 11-29-2007, 08:12 PM
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Default Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.

i think flop is fine, now i bet turn... ansky i watched some of this match and agree that w/ the way it was going, if he c/r turn you should prob get away from this. anyhow that hand where you flopped top set and he rivered the straight was just sick... is that the same guy on stars that is primarily a MTT guy?
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:58 PM
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i think flop is fine, now i bet turn... ansky i watched some of this match and agree that w/ the way it was going, if he c/r turn you should prob get away from this. anyhow that hand where you flopped top set and he rivered the straight was just sick... is that the same guy on stars that is primarily a MTT guy?

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no. it was a different person.
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Old 11-29-2007, 09:32 PM
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Default Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.

"Im good with betting the turn but only if you can fold happily to the check raise because if you really don't know what to do betting is bad. Besides, its unlikely you get two more streets of value out of a majority of his range, and you can possibly catch some river bluffs as well."

100% agree.

It seems given this flop and game dynamic, your value is capped where your value bets would be value stacking yourself after two streets worth of bets.
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:03 AM
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Default Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.

OK. guess we've had enough about the turn.

I bet 3100 on the turn, he thinks for ~10 seconds and calls.

River is a Qs and he checks fairly quckly. ~ 15k effective stacks.

I...

(Remember I do have the ace of spades, so he cannot have Axss.)
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:11 AM
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Default Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.

shove.
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:28 AM
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OK. guess we've had enough about the turn.

I bet 3100 on the turn, he thinks for ~10 seconds and calls.

River is a Qs and he checks fairly quckly. ~ 15k effective stacks.

I...

(Remember I do have the ace of spades, so he cannot have Axss.)

[/ QUOTE ]


bet 7k or w/e you think will get value here or rep a bluff or w/e... you better get c-raised here or this hand=yawwwnnnn
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