top set KK scary turn .50/1 Full Ring

[Dan Bitel]

JSH06,

inducing a bluff is a huge part of my game (maybe too big). But this is a bad spot for it. You've 3bet preflop and bet strongly on the flop. Villain will rarely bluff on river.

As for filling up, we're ahead so often here that I don't think that matters

[JSH06]

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JSH06,

inducing a bluff is a huge part of my game (maybe too big). But this is a bad spot for it. You've 3bet preflop and bet strongly on the flop. Villain will rarely bluff on river.

As for filling up, we're ahead so often here that I don't think that matters

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You make a good point here. You may have just changed my mind to betting the turn.

[FearNoEvil]

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But there are only four queens in the deck if he doesn't have one, and if you bet here and get checkraised how sick are you going to be?

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Is getting check-raised here really that bad? I think with bigger stacks then yeah, but here you will still be getting 2 to 1 money odds with 11 outs. Assuming he always has the queen you are talking an underlay by calling the check-raise, but by checking you give an outside chance for him to catch a flush or even a straight to split or win. Also, you may be missing value on turn if he has a hand which can call and even betting the river may be hard if a heart falls or for fear he has the Q and is trying to induce a bluff from you.

[MikeSmith]

Turn: ($59.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($59.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 All in, Hero calls $64.39.

Final Pot: $123.89

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP2 has As Qc (straight, ace high).
Hero has Kc Kd (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: MP2 wins $123.89. </font>

Just for your curiosity

[JSH06]

Ouch. Looks like MP2 was a major donk. I hope you made a note on this.

[MikeSmith]

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Ouch. Looks like MP2 was a major donk. I hope you made a note on this.

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i said nh and kept playing him but i didnt get any other opportunities to get my revenge though grrrr.

[terp]

raise way more preflop - 12 to 15 range and obviously do this with more than AA/KK/QQ occasionally.

flop is perfect. the guy called a PSB with a GSD? total moron. he also called a reraise OOP with AQo in a full ring game? definitely retarded. buddylist.

i have to disagree with everyone trying to induce bluffs. people don't bluff when an all in is just one PSB - they know it doesn't work. you're stuck with this hand and they know it.

there are also a lot of worse hands that will not bet but will call. scared undersets, two pair, etc. - these people just don't know to fold or play their hands. if i'm in OP's spot, the question is, when do i want my money in, not, is it going in?

i think i push the turn because these worse hands make up enough of his range that he might find a fold for two pair/set if the river is a Q (naked ace is the nut straight) or some other scare card (K pairing and they have bottom two, etc). so just stick it in on the turn.