pretty gross AA decision vs tough lag

[fslexcduck]

btw i like 3 betting a lot more with AA if we don't have the Ac so he can instashove nut flush draws

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3bet flop 100% against that villian.

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i'd make it like 425 and snapcall push.

luego u seriously dont see why this is easy 4bet? there's am illion and one draws out there and u dont know which he has obv as you said... so given your history and how much you play back at each other u can get a ton of value from every overpair lik ethis and he'll probably shove his draws as well.

also one thing that is kind of sexy btw is to 3 bet flop and if he just calls, check back a blank turn. it gives him a free card some of the time but it stacks overpairs like always and he bluffs when he misses like 99%

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this was a good post and i concur fwiw...

[fslexcduck]

oh one thing i lost my train of thought but the thing about not knowing which draw he has puts us in a bad spot this deep because he can value bet us to death and maybe give up if he misses... so getting all in vs whatever would be preferable obviously.

[fsuplayer]

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3bet flop 100% against that villian.

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i'd make it like 425 and snapcall push.

luego u seriously dont see why this is easy 4bet? there's am illion and one draws out there and u dont know which he has obv as you said... so given your history and how much you play back at each other u can get a ton of value from every overpair lik ethis and he'll probably shove his draws as well.

also one thing that is kind of sexy btw is to 3 bet flop and if he just calls, check back a blank turn. it gives him a free card some of the time but it stacks overpairs like always and he bluffs when he misses like 99%

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ok good, thought i was going crazy last night after the responses to my first post.

against villian described, hes prob not folding 99+ or overs+flush draw+combo draws. 3bet/snapcall/fistpumpetc.

and yes, its even more of a 3bet without the Ac.

[aislephive]

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against villian described, hes prob not folding 99+ or overs+flush draw+combo draws. 3bet/snapcall/fistpumpetc.


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This just isn't true imo. You seriously think you're getting it in 200bbs deep against 99 here? OP didn't mention villain being retarded, just that he was a tough, tricky, and spewy lag. "Spewy lags" will make a lot of bluffs and semibluffs and such, but that doesn't mean they're going to play worse MADE hands this way, and if he is good like luego says there is no fking way he is raising with a medium pp planning on stacking off 200bbs deep, I just don't buy it at all. If you get all in on the flop you're going to be toast against trips/boat or getting it in against a big draw which has good equity against us. At best we're getting it in against a bare flush draw, which obviously is a good thing but considering that's the bottom of his range here to get it in this deep by 3betting the flop I much prefer calling. Don't forget that by calling you can get it in on a blank turn where their equity with a draw is cut in half, or even better they bet/fold their semibluff. Villain is much likelier to make a mistake if we call the flop than if we 3bet it, period.

100bbs deep yeah 3betting is fine, much likelier for villain to play a worse made hand this way and he already probably committed himself with a draw. But 200bbs deep I think it's insane to believe there is any chance he is going to play 88 like this and happily get it in.

[Renton]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,684 games 0.005 secs 536,800 games/sec

Board: 5c 5s 4c 8s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.638% 32.64% 00.00% 876 0.00 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 67.362% 67.36% 00.00% 1808 0.00 { 55-44, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, A5s, Ac3c, Ac2c, KcTc, Kc9c, Kc8c, Kc7c, Kd7d, Kc6c, K5s, Kc3c, Kc2c, QcJc, QcTc, Qc9c, JcTc, Jc9c, Jc8c, Tc9c, Tc8c, Tc7c, 9c8c, 9c7c, 9c6c, 8c7c, 8c6c, 75s+, 65s, 54s, 76o, 65o, 54o }

[Requin]

SN?

[MATT111]

Call/Call/Call.

[aislephive]

3betting the flop is definitely thin 200bbs deep on this board, almost regardless of the opponent. I would just call down, folding on some rivers but not many.

[Requin]

Mmm I don't have many hands with him. I call flop tho