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Old 11-03-2006, 07:36 PM
Zentazimo Zentazimo is offline
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Default overpair & donk on the paired turn

Villain is pretty solid tag with stats of 21/8.4/2.3 after 100 hands or so.

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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, 7 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.5SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.75BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, Hero ?
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Old 11-03-2006, 07:46 PM
TomTom TomTom is offline
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Default Re: overpair & donk on the paired turn

He must have you on pocket rockets, you want to 3 bet it to see if he's serious? That ain't no cheap SD raise, he's got KQ or better.

Only reason to call him down is metagame, turn donks or C/R usually mean just what they seem to.

Wait till the timer beeps, then fold.
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Old 11-03-2006, 09:52 PM
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Default Re: overpair & donk on the paired turn

Well, I think the question is could you see UTG playing a flush draw like this? I don't understand why he wouldn't c/r. But then what the hell is he possibly betting out here? This puts me in a tough spot because I want to charge him for a flush, but I really don't want to be 3bet. So I would c/c and c/c a non heart river.

What do you think he thinks of you? Are you a showdown monkey?

Edit:

I think villian could also have something from 88-AA and doesn't want you checking the turn. Besides the obvious hands
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Old 11-04-2006, 02:16 AM
Shillx Shillx is offline
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Default Re: overpair & donk on the paired turn

I'd probably look him up

TYS,

You are correct that a good player should bet the turn with trips (to not let overpairs check behind). Of course a good player would also bet a flush draw for mixing purposes. It puts you in a tough spot.
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Old 11-04-2006, 02:20 AM
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Default Re: overpair & donk on the paired turn

You guys fold too damn much [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 11-04-2006, 03:07 AM
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Default Re: overpair & donk on the paired turn

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You guys fold too damn much [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Old 11-04-2006, 03:08 AM
Buzz-cp Buzz-cp is offline
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Default Re: overpair & donk on the paired turn

Scary, I don't get it. I call down here every [censored] time, and I get shown a better hand. Does not seem worth it.
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Old 11-04-2006, 03:15 AM
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Default Re: overpair & donk on the paired turn

99-JJ, Ax [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] . Guaranteed showdown for 2BB and you get to make sure a bet goes on the river since you can value bet anything but an A if he checks to you. Plus 2 outs to a boat. Do not fold.
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Old 11-04-2006, 03:23 AM
Scary_Tiger Scary_Tiger is offline
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Scary, I don't get it. I call down here every [censored] time, and I get shown a better hand. Does not seem worth it.

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MUBS.
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Old 11-04-2006, 03:28 AM
Buzz-cp Buzz-cp is offline
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Default Re: overpair & donk on the paired turn

60K hands of "good calldowns" with bad results is variance, not mubs. Or actually bad calldowns. We are only counting on a tag donking both flop &amp; turn with a flush draw. He like never donks with an underpair. How is it mubs?
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