$55 top 2 w/ flush draw play for stacks?

[shat4brains]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t2320)
SB (t5860)
BB (t2905)
UTG (t6270)
UTG+1 (t2405)
MP1 (t2035)
Hero (t3255)
MP3 (t2025)
CO (t2895)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t30, Hero calls t30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t90</font>, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 calls t90.

Turn: (t300) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t180</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t480</font>, Hero?.

Final Pot: t660
WTF this guy has been limping a lot other than that i know nothing.
whats standard here?

[brad2002tj]

This early in a tourney its tough, but I think one of you is getting stacked.

[ssnyc]

fold this crap pre from MP...once you get the turn just put it in over his raise...

[Popped Rod]

Fold PF.

Flop okay.

Turn, RRAI.

[shat4brains]

noone folds this here? (i hardly play mtts at all)

[JSmith2007]

You have no reason to fold this here IMO. He's going to flip over MP or TP with GK/TK more times than the nut flush or a set. Even if he slowplayed his flush on you, hopefully he doesn't have anything big (only limping preflop, I doubt he has anything like AK-A10s or something that has you dominated flush wise) and you'd be drawing to a possible higher flush if so.

As said above though, playing/limping this in MP isn't very good. If you flop a jack and get action, you're in a very odd spot. Same thing with flopping a 9, luckily you didn't get too much flop action to allow you to think someone has a higher kicker on you. I think you have to reraise it all in. He will either fold or instacall with the flush. You will get paid off by QJ or J10 quite a few times here IMO.

[shat4brains]

people would call flop with JT and JQ here and raise turn enough of the time to make a shove profitable?

[Dunkman]

This spot sucks, I don't think it's an easy shove at all. I mean, can there be a stronger line on a board like this than c/c then c/r from a guy who limps a lot (and is presumably pretty passive, thus the limping)? I mean, I do think it could be a draw, but it's a made flush a lot and our flush draw is worthless. I'd probably call the turn with no plan out of sheer confusion and the inability to fold top 2, but I'm really not sure we're ahead often. What we're hoping for I guess is like AsJx or KsJx or some other weird As hand, but that's about it.

As for the PF, I mean I'm sure some people can make limping here profitable...are you one of them? The idea behind seeing lots of flops with marginal hands is to consistently outplay people, especially in tough spots like this. I'll be the first to admit that a lot of the time I can't, so I try to avoid really marginal crap like J9o from MP.

[JSmith2007]

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people would call flop with JT and JQ here and raise turn enough of the time to make a shove profitable?

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I think if they've got QJ, and the queen being spades, they'll easily call the flop bet. The limp and your read of him limping alot means he's probably got a very marginal hand like QJ/JT that wasn't much to raise with, but if it hit the flop, it pays off usually. QT with a spade and then straight draw could also be in the range, as can QJ-AJ.

Either way, I don't think if he's limping a ton of hands that he's going to slowplay his flush, usually limpers play aggressively when they hit the nuts (or close to it).

[shat4brains]

okay ty for the responses. I actually folded on the turn and he showed me KsTs so ur right about his limping hands jsmith.