$20/40 shorthanded bodog. sorry about conversion.

[RudeboyOi]

RudeboyOi Big blind/Bring in $ 20.00
RudeboyOi Card dealt to a spot 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

crazyalice Fold $ 0.00
swat168 Call $ 20.00
jimmychoi Raise $ 40.00
Doc NO Call $ 40.00
yellowhat Call $ 30.00
RudeboyOi Call $ 20.00
swat168 Call $ 20.00

Card dealt to table 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

yellowhat Check
RudeboyOi Check
swat168 Check
jimmychoi Bet $ 20.00
Doc NO Fold $ 0.00
yellowhat Call $ 20.00
RudeboyOi Call $ 20.00
swat168 Call $ 20.00

Card dealt to table 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

yellowhat Check
RudeboyOi Bet $ 40.00

worth a stab?
solid group of players.
DocNo is fishy.

[PartyGirlUK]

fold pf

[waffle]

you have 3 opponents? this turn bet seems like a huge spew. flop call is dubious, and i agree w/ dean.

[rubbrband]

I would FOLD preflop flop and turn. Man bodog games look good.

[RudeboyOi]

ive been running really well for the past couple weeks.
its all the same players and ive established a dominant image.

anyways with this hand.
i made the preflop call.
cause not many pots were being contested multiway.
and figured this would be a good chance to gamble.
as the first limper was most likely going to call.
and id have a nice 5way pot if i connected.

when the flop came 9TJ and i was getting 12:1.
i peeled a turn on hitting my 5 outter.

when the river came an 8.
and the sb checked to me.
i was given an oppurtunity to bet.

i know these players are too smart.
to fall for a checkraise.
if i was betting for value here.
so if i wanted to valuebet.
id have to bet right out here.

so i bet out as a bluff that looked like a value bet.
hoping to knock off a Q off their hand.
and if i get raised id immediately release my hand.

[wackjob]

fold every street, fold PF, fold again after the pot is shipped. are you honestly a regular at a 20/40 game playing this poorly and asking this newb of a question?

[RudeboyOi]

u guys must have zero creativity.
its plays like this that lets me go on the rushes like i do.
i ran $500 into $3000 a couple weeks back.
this week i ran $500 up to $5400.
i dont post here much.
but ive been playing professionaly for the past year.
around northwest indiana, arizona, and now vegas.
i dont drive so i only hit the strip when my roomate works.
so this online stuff is just a way to play.
when i cant make it there.
and all these insulting responses.
come on.
if it wasnt an unusual play.
what would be the point
of wasting my time posting it here?

[Ainex]

Your opening post states that the flop is QTJ your first reply says that it is 9TJ. Your reply says you peeled to a 5 outer on the turn and bet when checked to on the river...your OP does NOT. According to your OP you are betting 2nd pair bad kicker into 3 opponents on the turn when a 4 straight hits.

[milesdyson]

Rudeboi,

this is a good thread. i don't know why all these guys have sticks up their asses. anyway i have a few questions for you.

do you make the same play preflop with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]? what about 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]? do you randomize your play by only playing club+diamond offsuit 4-gappers or does it depend on something else? basically what's your cutoff for offsuit 4-gappers in these multiway spots? i've been looking to open up my blind play and these seem like really good spots to do so. you know, if you do things like this people will really think you're creative. plus, it seems like these types of hands can allow you to go on really big rushes.

another thing. say the turn were an offsuit K (back to the J6o hand you posted). would you still bet out as a bluff here? it seems like this bluff is even better because there are more better hands that can fold. i mean, in your hand you already beat everything other than a straight or a pair better than yours. but if the turn were a K, you could actually push people off of not only pairs of Qs but pairs of Ks. this is a key component to any bluff right - how many better hands you can get to fold? so betting a K is actually better than betting the 9, right?

one last thing, what do you mean when you say the following:

"i know these players are too smart.
to fall for a checkraise."

the thing about the checkraise bluff here is that you not only win the pot, but you win the extra bets that everyone puts in before they fold to your raise. this type of play seems like it could make the rushes we are discussing even bigger. i don't know, it just seems like a good chance to gamble. let me know what you think (wait i think i understand now).

i'm looking forward to your answers.

[RudeboyOi]

hey milesdyson.

ty for a real response.
i tend to call with a variety of hands in this spot.
i assume the cards arent going to connect that often.
but im willing to gamble for that one extra small bet.
as long as you play well postflop.
an extra small bet here or there isnt gonna hurt you.

i like calling with a hand like J6.
moreso than a hand like T5.

usually i find that the J is a live card.
and i both connect with low ragged flops with the 6.
and connect with a piece of a high flop with the J.
i noticed its become pretty standard.
that most players at this game.
bet their hand right out.
a checkraise appears fishier.
like somethings up.
maybe if i actually connected i might try a c/r for more action.

one reason i dont like the checkraise.
is that it puts too much money in the pot where they might
be forced to call me down.
but the betting right out.
all it costs me is that one bet.
to try to take down the pot.

i dont like betting this spot on the TJQK board.
nearly as much as the 9TJQ board.
any hand that calls you down youre beat.
you can still beat ace high if called down on 9TJQ.
if i get caleld down.
and make it to the river.
depending on my opponent.
i may c/c if i think he was drawing to the gutshot.
and was betting the flop with a mere ace-rag.
and is takin one last shot at the pot.

any pair will do here.

also.
i rarely ever checkraise.
ive built an extremely dominant image in this game.
i love playing OOP.
i do a lot of 3-betting.
rather than checkraising.
this turn bet falls in line with my 3betting strategy.
moreso than the checkraising.