SSNL POKER [cheese] thread AUG PT 2

[zaephyr]

Just noticed i run @3,4ptbb/100 this month, so another month of grinding nl100 in september i guess [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[ThePuma]

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Stage #745825032: Holdem No Limit $1 - 2007-08-27 10:11:35 (ET)
Table: HAGGARD DR (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 - JNZOOBEIBE ($87.45 in chips)
Seat 5 - SP0908 ($42.95 in chips)
Seat 6 - URCHINS ($59.50 in chips)
Seat 1 - THE_PUMA ($105.30 in chips)
Seat 2 - DUDERINO_AB ($170.05 in chips)
Seat 3 - SEBM ($104.50 in chips)
SP0908 - Posts small blind $0.50
URCHINS - Posts big blind $1
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to THE_PUMA [Ac Qc]
THE_PUMA - Raises $4 to $4
DUDERINO_AB - Folds
SEBM - Raises $11 to $11
JNZOOBEIBE - Folds
SP0908 - Folds
URCHINS - Folds
THE_PUMA - Calls $7
*** FLOP *** [4c 6d 10c]
THE_PUMA - Bets $14
SEBM - Raises $33 to $33
THE_PUMA - All-In(Raise) $80.30 to $94.30
SEBM - All-In $60.50
THE_PUMA - returned ($0.80) : not called
*** TURN *** [4c 6d 10c] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [4c 6d 10c 6s] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
THE_PUMA - Shows [Ac Qc] (Three of a kind, sixes)
SEBM - Shows [Ks Kc] (Full house, sixes full of kings)
SEBM Collects $207.50 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($210.50) | Rake ($3)
Board [4c 6d 10c 6s 6h]
Seat 1: THE_PUMA HI:lost with Three of a kind, sixes [Ac Qc - B:6s,B:6h,B:6d,P:Ac,P:Qc]
Seat 2: DUDERINO_AB Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: SEBM won Total ($207.50) All-In HI$207.50) with Full house, sixes full of kings [Ks Kc - B:6s,B:6h,B:6d,P:Ks,P:Kc]
Seat 4: JNZOOBEIBE (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: SP0908 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: URCHINS (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

yay loosing is fun and contagious

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c/r >>>>>>>>>>> this

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please explain and enlighten me

[ThePuma]

i like the trapped money concept

[PartysOver]

bc once he chooses to raise he's pretty much calling ai

[Nielsio]

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why is check raising so much better. i can lead and take it away and then i have another on a rr all in. dont get why cr is better?

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I doubt he folds any of his range to a flop lead. Also, you have 0 FE after he raises, like 0.0 . If you c/r you have some FE because you can rep a slowplayed monster AND you take it down vs whiffed overs which is $$$$.


The beforementioned coaching could be helpful I think to straighten out the throughtprocess behind why you take certain actions.

[ThePuma]

i agree i need some real bad..

[Imrahil]

c/r is better because you get a cbet from him. Whereas you b/c and basically commit a lot of $$$ w/ no fe.

[ThePuma]

So leading this flop is horrible we agree?

[Fletcher19]

holla my first 40k hands since graduation from uNL

[PartysOver]

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So leading this flop is horrible we agree?

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yeah your main value with this hand/flop is abusing your fold equity. you have none after he raises your lead and if he folds you only win preflop pot.

whereas if you c/r you have more fold equity and the pot is bigger.

now, if you want to get money in anyway possible ie with a set/twopair/etc it might be better to lead depending on opponent