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TPGK vs tag OOP
Ok, jut curious to see how others would have played this hand. I'm looking for advice on all streets. I'm seriously considering folding this hand preflop because villain is a TAG at 23/8/2. (tag fish) As played though what are you're thoughts? As I've looked over the hand I feel that a C/R on the flop would be best and then a fold to a 4bet and a c/c on the turn if he calls a C/R on the flop... good bad? All thoughts welcome. Assign villain a range please. I feel like this C/R on the turn is brutal simply because I'm totally committing myself to a hand where I'm almost never likely to get called by worse.
Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LeggoPoker Hand History Converter Hero (SB): $10.45 BB: $10 UTG: $11.05 MP: $10.05 CO: $20.25 BTN: $19.60 Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB) <font color="red">UTG raises to $0.35</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.35, Hero calls $0.30, BB folds Flop: ($1.15) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $1.15</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $1.15 Turn: ($3.45) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $2.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6</font> Results: $8.45 Pot ($8.45 Rake) |
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Re: TPGK vs tag OOP
pf is fine 80%+ of the time.
c/r flop to like 3.75...if he raises ur behind if he calls i would think its safe to assume ur behind... def show agression on flop though |
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Re: TPGK vs tag OOP
What about a 3-bet PF? KQ is an easily dominated hand and I would be much more inclined to 3-bet this in position and c-bet flop if checked to me. If he 4-bets or donks/raises the flop then you can easily fold.
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Re: TPGK vs tag OOP
i prefer folding pre. youre OOP with a crappy hand. a 23/8 raises UTG...
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Re: TPGK vs tag OOP
Oops - thought you were BTN - I think a fold PF is better here.
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Re: TPGK vs tag OOP
His UTG range will be something like: 88+,ATs+,KJs+,AJo+
Without knowing his cbet tendencies, its hard to know if he cbets air into 3 people on that board. I'd lean to weighting his range on the flop towards made hands. Probably something like 88+, AQs, AQo, KQs etc. He definitely can have AK, KJ etc here though, we can't exclude that yet. His turn betting range is much much tighter, this is either a hand that beats you or air i think [weighted towards hands that beat you heavily.] By raising, you will reduce his range right down to hands that crush you. As played, I like calling the flop and really hate raising the turn, you're never getting called by worse here imo. I think i'd call the flop and probably fold the turn, but folding pre is definitely the key here against this opponent. |
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Re: TPGK vs tag OOP
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pf is fine 80%+ of the time. c/r flop to like 3.75...if he raises ur behind if he calls i would think its safe to assume ur behind... [/ QUOTE ] So why do you want to c/r the flop? |
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Re: TPGK vs tag OOP
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[ QUOTE ] pf is fine 80%+ of the time. c/r flop to like 3.75...if he raises ur behind if he calls i would think its safe to assume ur behind... [/ QUOTE ] So why do you want to c/r the flop? [/ QUOTE ] so ur not stuck in this decision after the flop...if he double barrels (like he did), we still have no effing idea where we are at... |
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Re: TPGK vs tag OOP
Folding this pre-flop is very standard.
Check raising the turn sucks. I probably call and fold if he bets the river strong. |
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Re: TPGK vs tag OOP
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] pf is fine 80%+ of the time. c/r flop to like 3.75...if he raises ur behind if he calls i would think its safe to assume ur behind... [/ QUOTE ] So why do you want to c/r the flop? [/ QUOTE ] so ur not stuck in this decision after the flop...if he double barrels (like he did), we still have no effing idea where we are at... [/ QUOTE ] Playing suboptimally in order to minimize the degree of difficulty of our decisions is not something I would suggest people do. Raising for information is just about never a good thing to do in NL holdem especially playing with ~100BB's. And btw just calling his flop and turn bets will be about the same amount of money as check raising the flop would be....and by just calling both bets you keep his range wider whereas when you checkraise the flop he is pretty much only continuing with hands that beat you. KQ has some showdown value here so we don't want to make it a bluff. And if you are gonna check raise the flop here you might as well checkraise it with 32 as well. |
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