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1/2 river vs tanshuiwen
I don't really have any interesting history with tan imo that would particularly influence this hand.
PokerStars Game #11688607877: Hold'em Limit ($100/$200) - 2007/08/25 - 17:45:12 (ET) Table 'Lydia III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: bicyclekick ($2094 in chips) Seat 2: Mr nOmadsen ($1489 in chips) Seat 3: TanShuiWen ($4047 in chips) Seat 4: yahii ($7876 in chips) Seat 5: SicVinnyness ($3041 in chips) Seat 6: Rodney King ($12645 in chips) Rodney King: posts small blind $50 bicyclekick: posts big blind $100 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to bicyclekick [7s 7d] Mr nOmadsen: folds TanShuiWen: raises $100 to $200 yahii: folds SicVinnyness: folds Rodney King: folds bicyclekick: calls $100 *** FLOP *** [4s 9d 6h] bicyclekick: checks TanShuiWen: bets $100 bicyclekick: raises $100 to $200 TanShuiWen: calls $100 *** TURN *** [4s 9d 6h] [Qc] bicyclekick: bets $200 TanShuiWen: calls $200 *** RIVER *** [4s 9d 6h Qc] [Td] bk? |
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Re: 1/2 river vs tanshuiwen
Check fold
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Re: 1/2 river vs tanshuiwen
Bet
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Re: 1/2 river vs tanshuiwen
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Re: 1/2 river vs tanshuiwen
really?
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Re: 1/2 river vs tanshuiwen
Well its either check fold or bet fold I think......
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Re: 1/2 river vs tanshuiwen
i messed around with stove and if he is calling down with ace high its a bet.
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Re: 1/2 river vs tanshuiwen
I don't think he is, on this board. Also Victor, which Ace highs did you give him? I don't think he peels the turn with Ax unless x >=7
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Re: 1/2 river vs tanshuiwen
I think Dean's recommendation for BK to check with the intention to fold to a bet is the correct one vs me here.
Lately because of influence from Tongni I been folding ace highs more - so if I was playing against myself in this spot I check fold because: 1) If BK bets into on this board and given this action, I'm not calling ace high. BK is a player with a good reputation from 2+2 and more importantly (at least under the screenname BicycleKick) has not been a regular lately in the 1-2 games so I think he'll be playing more straightforward. So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that his BB caling range vs 2-hole raise has a greater propensity to be a 'legit holding' compared to something like 57s - which is why I can't call ace high there because legit holdings that can check raise this flop is far more likely to have a pair than a draw (yes I can get creative and think of hands I may beat but pot's not exactly huge, I can give it up). If I do call, I have 77 beat. In fact, if I hit that river I'm raising. 2) For very similar reasons, if BK checks the river I won't bluff/value ace high. There's three categories of hands that can occur here. Optimistically BK can have a busted draw, so I'm not going to bother betting if checked to since he won't call a busted draw. BK can have A-x and thought his hand was good from the flop since the flop is broadway-safe, but then it would be hard for him to call down ace high here, so there's no reason to bet. Lastly, he can have a pair, which betting into is no good since he'll most likely call (at least, I would think so). So I won't bet if checked to if I can't at least beat bottom pair. The most likely scenario in this hand goes: 1) If I hit the river and BK bets I raise, he loses 1-2 bets. 2) If I miss the river and BK bets I fold, he gains 0 bets. 3) If I hit the river and BK checks and I bet and he folds he loses 0 bets, if he calls he loses 1 bet. 4) If I miss the river and BK checks I will check behind, and BK wins/loses 0 bets. Given all the permutations, I think check-folding is better. I know my assessment of TanShuiWen's thinking is accurate - because well, it's me. Phew, this got kind of long. Don't mind me - I'm pretty tired after a long on-line and then Commerce session. ~andy |
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Re: 1/2 river vs tanshuiwen
i know you say you are folding ace high more but if you played at all like you used to it's a crystal clear bet
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