Interesting hand 10nl How do you play it?

[wingchunflush]

I don't post a lot of hand here lately so I wanted to post this one since I was unsure of the best move. I had been showing good hands and had a tight image that is why I raised T8s in EP. Comments appreciated.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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BTN: $9.95
SB: $10.25
BB: $13.60
Hero (UTG): $12.85
CO: $2.60

Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $0.40</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $0.70</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $1.80</font>, Hero calls $1.10

I was fully expecting to take it down with my Cbet on the flop. The c/r is a little interesting, this player hasn't done anything like this so far but then I ma still semi new to the table. I opt to just call with my gutshot and flush draw. Any one raise? I will update on my turn play after some replies are put in about my flop play.

Turn: ($4.45) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $2.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10.65 and is All-In</font>, BB folds

Results: $9.45 Pot ($0.45 Rake)
Hero mucked 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and WON $9 (+$4.30 NET)

[derosnec]

why are you raising T8s utg, even though 5 handed? serious question, not rhetorical.

[wingchunflush]

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why are you raising T8s utg, even though 5 handed? serious question, not rhetorical.

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It is a semi marginal spot but like I said I was getting away with alot nad had a tight image. I like playing hands like this to exploit my image. If everyone folds I take it down if I get called atleast I am not likely to be dominated.

[Resistance]

Flat fold pre, these guys probably don't give a [censored] about image and aren't positionally aware.

I probs shove over his flop raise.

[wingchunflush]

Well I play T8 and such if I know that my raise will be pretty much the only action preflop. This was that kind of table. I wasnt worried about getting raised preflop and if I did I can get away from the hand very easily.

[Nemesis69]

I'd probably stick it in the flop. This is were we have the most equity.

[Hebel]

I play this not like a spewtard

say this to yourself over and over: nl10 is NOT about fold equity, it is about value betting

plays like this lost me many buyins before i learned better

and dont raise 10 8 oop

[thing85]

Even at a tight table, I don't like T8s UTG because if it gets to the flop, you will often be OOP and run into these kind of marginal situations.

It's pretty obvious that villain has a J or some kind of PP lower than KK, so your turn play looks okay given your outs + FE.

IMO, this is still a very marginal spot (PF), and I know you're currently dealing with a bad downswing so I would generally suggest staying away from these marginal EV situations, especially if you're uncertain how to play it. It's okay to do every once in awhile I guess, but then I think you're putting money in OOP too often if this becomes a standard play under these conditions.

Good hand to post though - post more hands, it'll help your game out.

[oscarinix]

So, I finally decided to start posting in this forum to become the world´s best poker player some day [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Anyway, given your play I would have folded behind you if you had risen in EP since you have a tight Image.

IMO BB could be check raising a QQ or pair of J. I don´t think he has a flush draw or else he wouldn´t have really folded on the turn. When the K comes he probably guesses that his one pair is no good anymore since you reraised him. Maybe he even puts you on KK or AA afterwards. I don´t think he guesses you have a flush draw due to your overagressive play and your intention to getting him to fold by intimidating him with an overbet.

[well named]

This is mostly a grunch, since there's like 8 replies while I've been writing it:

Re: T8s UTG. I think it's marginal and i'd fold it the majority of the time given the typical table, but with the right image or table I raise it sometimes, especially if the blinds fold to c-bets too much and the LP players aren't making squeeze plays, and very very rarely I might even limp it with a loose-passive table of villains who don't raise pre-flop but get it in too loose postflop. In my opinion it's a threshold hand where table dynamics should factor heavily into how you play it, although folding is the best "default" play.

On the flop, with 100bb starting stacks I just shove here pretty much all the time for slightly more than a pot-sized raise. Here, about 130bb deep, it's less clear, but even discounting fold equity, and even if his range is only {JJ+,77,22,AhJh,Ah7h} you still have 40% equity, so I think it will be marginally +EV to get it in here, and of course it's even more so if add hands like AJo and if he folds that and some of the overpairs sometimes.

Given that it shouldn't be -EV even in the worst case scenario, and given that against a large part of his range your implied odds on the flush might not be very good, and that you lose a lot of equity on a blank turn, I think I would go ahead and raise the flop. I'm not certain whether it's better to just shove outright (which is a big overbet) or just raise to like $8. I'd probably just shove.

Note: I agree with the general sentiment that 10nl is more about value betting than fold-equity, and not semi-bluffing too lightly is one of the adjustments I had to make before I started actually winning at micro-stakes, but raising or betting with a strong combo-draw is, at some level, a value bet, since generally it increases the amount of equity you get from your hand. I don't semi-bluff raise a gut-shot at 10nl (a hand which depends heavily on FE) but a ~10-ish (discounting a bit) draw is very strong and raising it here is as much for value as it is for fold equity, in my opinion.

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I don´t think he has a flush draw or else he wouldn´t have really folded on the turn.

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You shouldn't reason like this when considering the flop action because obviously you don't know that he's going to fold to a turn shove on the flop, and normally you shouldn't assume that a flop check-raiser in a raised-pot is going to fold to a 3-bet on a (relatively) blank turn.