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Old 11-21-2007, 05:05 AM
MaxWeiss MaxWeiss is offline
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Can I believe in individual free will while also believing in psychohistory and the probability of the masses---that is, no free will over large samples and time periods??
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:23 AM
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Can I believe in individual free will while also believing in psychohistory and the probability of the masses---that is, no free will over large samples and time periods??

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Some forms of it yes:

Swarm intelligence
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:36 AM
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Or to state it a little further. The net result of a mass of free agents may be predictable to a very large degree (in some manners of measurement) even if the behavior of the individual agent is far less predictable.

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Old 11-21-2007, 06:00 AM
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Or to state it a little further. The net result of a mass of free agents may be predictable to a very large degree (in some manners of measurement) even if the behavior of the individual agent is far less predictable.



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That's basically exactly what I meant.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:34 AM
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Or to state it a little further. The net result of a mass of free agents may be predictable to a very large degree (in some manners of measurement) even if the behavior of the individual agent is far less predictable.



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That's basically exactly what I meant.

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i'm really glad someone mentioned this b/c i had thought about and couldn't decide if i was making any sense or not. any other links deuces?
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:18 AM
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i'm really glad someone mentioned this b/c i had thought about and couldn't decide if i was making any sense or not. any other links deuces?

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Classically swarm intelligence has been studied on AIs, engineering and insects since it says the interacting agents have to be fairly simple. Only recently have one began to look at how human intelligence and social factors can be looked at it in a swarm system and how these models can interact.

A combinatory computer model is the 'particle swarm optimization' here is a wiki on it: clicky

There is also a journal called 'Swarm Intelligence' that has 2 issues out and free online content: clicky
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Old 11-22-2007, 10:43 PM
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I was an atheist for a bit.

Then I tried to think, what hapenned BEFORE the big bang? WTF was there? How come that huge concentration of matter was to explode at T=0?

My brain almost imploded. I can't rationalize that it "all" started at the Big Bang, because then what came before it? If nothing, then how did it come to be? If something, then clearly that something is worth exploring.

Also, if there is a (many?) god(s), then who put them there? How did he/they come to be?

So I guess I'm a bit of an agnostic. The presence or absence of God(s) has absolutely no effect on my life whatsoever. I abide by what I feel are correct morals, which obviously have been influenced by thousands of years of humanity preaching different gods.

Hopefully I never have to find out 'cuz I live forever n all..
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