Assani vs the StatHeads: Evaluating NFL QBs

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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No, you were talking about Harrison only. You made no mention of Dallas Clark, Anthony Gonzales, or Tony Ugoh.

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the WR's last night were

Reggie Wayne
Aaron Morehead
Craphonso Thorpe

last year vs the Colts, Brady had

Doug Gabriel
Troy Brown
Reche Caldwell

the Colts group is still better. Wayne is a legit #1. Morehead is a jag, and Thorpe is an emergency level guy.

Gabriel is out of the NFL, Troy Brown is a decent possession guy but is years past his peak, and Reche Caldwell is on the Redskins but doesn't have a catch this year

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I don't disagree with you on evaluation of the cast, but Brady had these guys all year. Obviously I'm not positive, but I don't think Manning is working with Craphonso weekly on timing routes, this makes a big difference. The Colts couldn't even run their no huddle because all the new personnel couldn't handle it, that's also a big deal. There really is no basis for comparison for Manning in that game and Brady with a mediocre supporting cast last year

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you're right, wrt to the prep time. but that cast of WR's on the Pats last year wasn't mediocre, it was maybe the worst in the NFL. basically the definition of "replacement level", any team could have had any of those guys. Jabar Gaffney was literally picked up from the street and ended up as the #1 WR.

the exception is the TE Ben Watson who was a high draft pick. but the WR's were awful, it's almost like Belichick was trying to figure out how bad a set of WR's he could get away with.

[Vyse]

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I'm not claiming that I have any great evaluation ability.

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LMFAO

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All I'm saying is that watching the game gives you a lot more insight.

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Who on here doesn't watch the games?

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Statheads will blindly cite stats like "play X has thrown for 2 TDs and 10 INTs in the past 3 games" and automatically assume that those stats prove something.

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Statements like these are why people laugh at you. You make conclusions based on false assumptions.

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Those who watched the games may know that 2 of those INTs were thrown in desperation come from behind time and 2 more bounced of the WR's finger tips and two others came in which the QB was under a ridiculous amount of pressure...things like that don't require you to be an advanced scout to see.

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it's really easy to play devil's advocate here and say that, on average, a player who has the aforementioned poor stats MAY have had some unlucky INTs, but usually he is playing at a poor level where he also had some lucky completions, or was consistently overthrowing / underthrowing targets, etc.

I'm also nearly positive that DVOA / DPAR adjusts for really long INTs since they serve basically as punts.

[thatpfunk]

"but that cast of WR's on the Pats last year wasn't mediocre, it was maybe the worst in the NFL."

this is popular to claim but is just not true. its not even close.

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and jeez joa, youre getting trolled SO hard here.

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onslaught posts make more sense than assani trying to argue nfl. its absolutely ridiculous that anyone takes him seriously.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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"but that cast of WR's on the Pats last year wasn't mediocre, it was maybe the worst in the NFL."

this is popular to claim but is just not true. its not even close.

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who was worse?

[Triumph36]

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"but that cast of WR's on the Pats last year wasn't mediocre, it was maybe the worst in the NFL."

this is popular to claim but is just not true. its not even close.

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who was worse?

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probably minnesota? tennessee, maybe? atlanta?

i think it is pretty close, honestly.

[VarlosZ]

A relevant snip from this week's Audibles at the Line column on FO:

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Ned Macey: Last week, my theme was the defensive line is important. This week it is wide receiver. Terrell Owens first became a high quality wide receiver in 1997. Starting then, his quarterback has made the Pro Bowl every year except 1999, 2003, and 2005. That includes four separate quarterbacks under (counting this year) five different coaches. Randy Moss isn’t quite as impressive, but Brady will be his third different quarterback and fifth Pro Bowl selection in 10 years. Kerry Collins throwing to Moss ranked 11th in DPAR in 2005. What Brady is doing this year is obviously the clearest example.

The thing is that wide receivers were devalued by smart analysts because the model franchises earlier this decade were New England and Philadelphia, both of whom devalued it. It seems to me that the offensive experience of those teams and their exceptional quarterbacks shows that they undervalued wide receiver.

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[Kneel B4 Zod]

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"but that cast of WR's on the Pats last year wasn't mediocre, it was maybe the worst in the NFL."

this is popular to claim but is just not true. its not even close.

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who was worse?

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probably minnesota? tennessee, maybe? atlanta?

i think it is pretty close, honestly.

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we could go guy by guy, but I honestly don't see how you could get worse than what the Pats had.

to reitirate:
Doug Gabriel is currently on the street
Jabar Gaffney was picked up off the street, he's currently the #4 or #5 or mb #6 WR
Reche Caldwell was unsigned by the Chargers, who themselves had a pretty poor WR group. he has 0 receptions this year for the Redksins
Troy Brown is the best of the lot, and he an old guy who any team could have had for short money
Chad Jackson had/has potential, but he was a 1st year guy who got injured

[Jack of Arcades]

49ers, Jaguars, and Dolphins are in the mix, too.

Oh, how can I forget about the skins?

Anyway, they were all pretty terrible so yeah.