We win (AP Scandal v. 27)

[gumpzilla]

[ QUOTE ]
gump,

I'm not saying they will. I'm saying even if they did...

[/ QUOTE ]

If KGC revokes the license, that would be a great start - these guys starting over would have a bit of a rough job ahead of them, since they wouldn't already have the huge fish pool. I hope something like that happens, but I'm not crossing my fingers.

[bronx bomber]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]


Essentially, Mark has offered to allow the world to see the match face up if stuckinpgh agrees.

[/ QUOTE ]

N82, i understand that you dont want to "out" your AP sources, but did you tell Mark that you would be willing to accompany any investigative team? This seems like a perfect opportunity, and now that he has opened the door.......

[/ QUOTE ]

[Double Eagle]

Adanthar and Nat,

After you are done here can you spend a few days tracking down Osama Bin Laden please?

[Pokeraddict]

So AP only comes out with this BS after the detective work. Even if this BS is true they would have stolen all this money if they had not been exposed. All the lies and then they try to steal all the money. WTF. How does someone get in on the investigation as invited? I've already emailed people I know there and hope to get an answer.

[mother_brain]

Absolute did not hesitate to completely absolve Scott Tom from any wrongdoing. Presumably because admitting management was involved would be terrible.

Yet every indication i get from their releases is that they have not spoken a single word to Scott Tom or even know where he is.

Edit: Also scott tom has not posted here which is almost unbelievable at this point. If he was "sorta framed".

[adanthar]

[ QUOTE ]
Also, in order to get mainstream media cable news channels to cover this in a way that is more critical of AP is impossible without it immediately launching into an attack against all online poker. Not saying whether this is a cumulative positive or negative, but I think it is all or nothing, realistically, pr-wise for online gaming as a whole.

[/ QUOTE ]

All,

Understand me very clearly when I say that this post is 100% correct and we are trying to walk a very fine line. We are not done with AP by a long shot, but we have to proceed in a way that exposes the one rotten apple in the basket and does not throw away the entire thing.

As I said, expect more dramabombs. However, do not expect the media to be able to savage AP without also savaging online poker *until* AP is fully exposed as a rogue operator. That would be unrealistic, since the only way they can do a balanced story is by letting AP respond, however stupidly. In the meantime, we are doing our best to get there without upsetting the apple cart.

[aaronbeen]

"said a spokesman for the company, who spoke with msnbc.com on condition of anonymity."

Not exactly an official statement. Looks like they are already anticipating getting called out on this new position.

[facialabuse]

[ QUOTE ]
So Absolute read the threads and noticed everyone saying how obvious Potripper, etc. were about their superuser abilities and they try to pass that off on us.. gg Absolute.

[/ QUOTE ]

perfect time to inform us about the other info, or is that thread 28?

[ur2barredout]

Somebody requested I post this HH from the 75k I played in that Steamroller won. I think if we go by the premise that Steamroller was compromised its obvious him and Potripper are NOT the same person playing. So AP GTFO with this bshit rogue employee crap. Steamroller's play is closer to what somebody who had a [censored] clue about poker would do if they had access to hole cards.







Stage #863552402 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $20000 - 2007-08-20 01:09:42 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #8 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($387479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($118125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($133994 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($348885.98 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($198742.68 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($434399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($681876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($237479 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
FREEROLL55 - Posts small blind $10000
UR2BARREDOUT - Posts big blind $20000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [Ks Jc]
K0762 - Folds
JBAW - Folds
FERALS99 - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - Raises $60000 to $60000
STEAMROLLER - Folds
LEPKE - Folds
FREEROLL55 - Folds
UR2BARREDOUT - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - returned ($40000) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
EASTSIDE13 - Does not show
EASTSIDE13 Collects $58000 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($58000)
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: K0762 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JBAW Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: FERALS99 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 collected Total ($58000)
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: LEPKE (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #863553049 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $20000 - 2007-08-20 01:10:15 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($376479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($97125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($132994 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($347885.98 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($197742.68 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($471399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($680876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($236479 in chips)
Seat 9 - BILLYWESTOM ($219017.50 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Posts small blind $10000
K0762 - Posts big blind $20000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [5s 2h]
JBAW - Folds
FERALS99 - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - Raises $80000 to $80000
STEAMROLLER - Folds
LEPKE - Folds
BILLYWESTOM - Folds
FREEROLL55 - Folds
UR2BARREDOUT - Folds
K0762 - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - returned ($60000) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
EASTSIDE13 - Does not show
EASTSIDE13 Collects $59000 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($59000)
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: K0762 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JBAW Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: FERALS99 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 collected Total ($59000)
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: LEPKE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: BILLYWESTOM Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #863553689 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $20000 - 2007-08-20 01:10:57 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($375479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($86125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($111994 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($346885.98 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($196742.68 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($509399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($679876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($235479 in chips)
Seat 9 - BILLYWESTOM ($218017.50 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Ante $1000
K0762 - Posts small blind $10000
JBAW - Posts big blind $20000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [Ac 3d]
FERALS99 - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - Calls $20000
STEAMROLLER - Folds
LEPKE - Calls $20000
BILLYWESTOM - Folds
FREEROLL55 - Folds
UR2BARREDOUT - Folds
K0762 - Folds
JBAW - Raises $75000 to $95000
EASTSIDE13 - Folds
LEPKE - Calls $75000
*** FLOP *** [Kd 10s Ad]
JBAW - Checks
LEPKE - Checks
*** TURN *** [Kd 10s Ad] [3h]
JBAW - Bets $35000
LEPKE - All-In(Raise) $139479 to $139479
JBAW - Folds
LEPKE - returned ($104479) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LEPKE - Does not show
LEPKE Collects $299000 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($299000)
Board [Kd 10s Ad 3h]
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: K0762 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JBAW (big blind) Folded on the TURN
Seat 5: FERALS99 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: LEPKE collected Total ($299000) All-In HI$299000) [Does not show]
Seat 9: BILLYWESTOM Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #863555268 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $20000 - 2007-08-20 01:12:42 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($374479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($85125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($100994 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($215885.98 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($195742.68 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($488399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($678876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($403479 in chips)
Seat 9 - BILLYWESTOM ($217017.50 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Ante $1000
JBAW - Posts small blind $10000
FERALS99 - Posts big blind $20000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [Kc 5d]
EASTSIDE13 - Raises $80000 to $80000
STEAMROLLER - Folds
LEPKE - Folds
BILLYWESTOM - Folds
FREEROLL55 - Folds
UR2BARREDOUT - Folds
K0762 - Folds
JBAW - Folds
FERALS99 - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - returned ($60000) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
EASTSIDE13 - Does not show
EASTSIDE13 Collects $59000 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($59000)
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: K0762 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JBAW (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: FERALS99 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 collected Total ($59000)
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: LEPKE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: BILLYWESTOM Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #863555782 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $20000 - 2007-08-20 01:13:15 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($373479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($84125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($99994 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($204885.98 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($174742.68 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($526399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($677876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($402479 in chips)
Seat 9 - BILLYWESTOM ($216017.50 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Posts small blind $10000
EASTSIDE13 - Posts big blind $20000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [9c 8c]
STEAMROLLER - Folds
LEPKE - Folds
BILLYWESTOM - Folds
FREEROLL55 - Raises $60000 to $60000
UR2BARREDOUT - Folds
K0762 - Folds
JBAW - Folds
FERALS99 - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - Folds
FREEROLL55 - returned ($40000) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FREEROLL55 - Does not show
FREEROLL55 Collects $59000 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($59000)
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 collected Total ($59000)
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: K0762 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JBAW (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: FERALS99 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: LEPKE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: BILLYWESTOM Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #863556522 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $20000 - 2007-08-20 01:14:06 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($411479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($83125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($98994 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($203885.98 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($163742.68 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($505399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($676876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($401479 in chips)
Seat 9 - BILLYWESTOM ($215017.50 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Posts small blind $10000
STEAMROLLER - Posts big blind $20000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [8c 7c]
LEPKE - Raises $60000 to $60000
BILLYWESTOM - Folds
FREEROLL55 - Folds
UR2BARREDOUT - Folds
K0762 - Folds
JBAW - Folds
FERALS99 - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - Folds
STEAMROLLER - Calls $40000
*** FLOP *** [Jd 4c Ad]
STEAMROLLER - Checks
LEPKE - Checks
*** TURN *** [Jd 4c Ad] [Kd]
STEAMROLLER - Bets $40000
LEPKE - Folds
STEAMROLLER - returned ($40000) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
STEAMROLLER - Does not show
STEAMROLLER Collects $139000 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($139000)
Board [Jd 4c Ad Kd]
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: K0762 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JBAW Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: FERALS99 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER (big blind) collected Total ($139000) HI$139000) [Does not show]
Seat 8: LEPKE Folded on the TURN
Seat 9: BILLYWESTOM Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #863557496 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $20000 - 2007-08-20 01:14:54 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($410479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($82125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($97994 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($202885.98 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($162742.68 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($494399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($754876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($340479 in chips)
Seat 9 - BILLYWESTOM ($214017.50 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Posts small blind $10000
LEPKE - Posts big blind $20000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [Jh 8d]
BILLYWESTOM - Folds
FREEROLL55 - Raises $60000 to $60000
UR2BARREDOUT - Folds
K0762 - Folds
JBAW - Folds
FERALS99 - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - Folds
STEAMROLLER - Calls $50000
LEPKE - Folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 4s Jd]
STEAMROLLER - Checks
FREEROLL55 - Bets $60000
STEAMROLLER - Raises $200000 to $200000
FREEROLL55 - Folds
STEAMROLLER - returned ($140000) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
STEAMROLLER - Does not show
STEAMROLLER Collects $269000 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($269000)
Board [8c 4s Jd]
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 Folded on the FLOP
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: K0762 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JBAW Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: FERALS99 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER (small blind) collected Total ($269000) HI$269000) [Does not show]
Seat 8: LEPKE (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: BILLYWESTOM Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #863558611 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $24000 - 2007-08-20 01:16:12 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($289479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($81125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($96994 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($201885.98 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($161742.68 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($493399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($902876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($319479 in chips)
Seat 9 - BILLYWESTOM ($213017.50 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Posts small blind $12000
BILLYWESTOM - Posts big blind $24000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [9s Kd]
FREEROLL55 - Folds
UR2BARREDOUT - All-In(Raise) $80125 to $80125
K0762 - Folds
JBAW - Folds
FERALS99 - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - Folds
STEAMROLLER - Folds
LEPKE - Folds
BILLYWESTOM - Folds
UR2BARREDOUT - returned ($56125) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
UR2BARREDOUT - Does not show
UR2BARREDOUT Collects $69000 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($69000)
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT collected Total ($69000) All-In
Seat 3: K0762 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JBAW Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: FERALS99 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: LEPKE (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: BILLYWESTOM (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #863559050 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $24000 - 2007-08-20 01:16:42 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #8 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($288479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($125125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($95994 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($200885.98 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($160742.68 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($492399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($901876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($306479 in chips)
Seat 9 - BILLYWESTOM ($188017.50 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Posts small blind $12000
FREEROLL55 - Posts big blind $24000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [6c Jh]
UR2BARREDOUT - Folds
K0762 - Folds
JBAW - Folds
FERALS99 - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - Raises $75000 to $75000
STEAMROLLER - Raises $174000 to $174000
LEPKE - Folds
BILLYWESTOM - Folds
FREEROLL55 - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - Folds
STEAMROLLER - returned ($99000) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
STEAMROLLER - Does not show
STEAMROLLER Collects $195000 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($195000)
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: K0762 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JBAW Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: FERALS99 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER collected Total ($195000)
Seat 8: LEPKE (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: BILLYWESTOM (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #863559992 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $24000 - 2007-08-20 01:17:36 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #9 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($263479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($124125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($94994 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($199885.98 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($159742.68 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($416399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($1020876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($305479 in chips)
Seat 9 - BILLYWESTOM ($175017.50 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Ante $1000
FREEROLL55 - Posts small blind $12000
UR2BARREDOUT - Posts big blind $24000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [9s 2s]
K0762 - All-In(Raise) $93994 to $93994
JBAW - Calls $93994
FERALS99 - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - Folds
STEAMROLLER - Folds
LEPKE - Folds
BILLYWESTOM - Folds
FREEROLL55 - Folds
UR2BARREDOUT - Folds
*** FLOP *** [3s 7c Kc]
*** TURN *** [3s 7c Kc] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [3s 7c Kc 7h] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
K0762 - Shows [Ah Ad] (Two Pair, aces and sevens)
JBAW - Shows [Qh 10c] (One pair, sevens)
K0762 Collects $232988 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($232988)
Board [3s 7c Kc 7h 6s]
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: K0762 won Total ($232988) All-In HI$232988) with Two Pair, aces and sevens [Ah Ad - P:Ah,P:Ad,B:7h,B:7c,B:Kc]
Seat 4: JBAW HI:lost with One pair, sevens [Qh 10c - B:7h,B:7c,B:Kc,P:Qh,P:10c]
Seat 5: FERALS99 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: LEPKE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: BILLYWESTOM (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #863560573 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $24000 - 2007-08-20 01:18:12 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($250479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($99125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($232988 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($104891.98 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($158742.68 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($415399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($1019876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($304479 in chips)
Seat 9 - BILLYWESTOM ($174017.50 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Posts small blind $12000
K0762 - Posts big blind $24000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [2h As]
JBAW - Raises $65000 to $65000
FERALS99 - All-In(Raise) $157742.68 to $157742.68
EASTSIDE13 - Folds
STEAMROLLER - Folds
LEPKE - Folds
BILLYWESTOM - Folds
FREEROLL55 - Folds
UR2BARREDOUT - Folds
K0762 - Folds
JBAW - All-In $38891.98
FERALS99 - returned ($53850.70) : not called
*** FLOP *** [10h Jc Qs]
*** TURN *** [10h Jc Qs] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [10h Jc Qs Qd] [10c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JBAW - Shows [Kd Ad] (Straight, ten to ace)
FERALS99 - Shows [Kh Kc] (Two Pair, kings and queens)
JBAW Collects $252783.96 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($252783.96)
Board [10h Jc Qs Qd 10c]
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: K0762 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JBAW won Total ($252783.96) All-In HI$252783.96) with Straight, ten to ace [Kd Ad - P:Ad,P:Kd,B:Qs,B:Jc,B:10h]
Seat 5: FERALS99 HI:lost with Two Pair, kings and queens [Kh Kc - P:Kh,P:Kc,B:Qs,B:Qd,B:Jc]
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: LEPKE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: BILLYWESTOM Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #863561435 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $24000 - 2007-08-20 01:19:00 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($249479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($86125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($207988 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($252783.96 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($53850.70 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($414399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($1018876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($303479 in chips)
Seat 9 - BILLYWESTOM ($173017.50 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Ante $1000
K0762 - Posts small blind $12000
JBAW - Posts big blind $24000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [2d 5s]
FERALS99 - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - Folds
STEAMROLLER - Folds
LEPKE - Folds
BILLYWESTOM - Raises $72000 to $72000
FREEROLL55 - Folds
UR2BARREDOUT - Folds
K0762 - Folds
JBAW - Calls $48000
*** FLOP *** [As 5c 4c]
JBAW - Bets $35000
BILLYWESTOM - Folds
JBAW - returned ($35000) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JBAW - Does not show
JBAW Collects $165000 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($165000)
Board [As 5c 4c]
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: K0762 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JBAW (big blind) collected Total ($165000) HI$165000) [Does not show]
Seat 5: FERALS99 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: LEPKE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: BILLYWESTOM Folded on the FLOP


Stage #863562340 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $24000 - 2007-08-20 01:19:54 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($248479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($85125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($194988 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($344783.96 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($52850.70 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($413399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($1017876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($302479 in chips)
Seat 9 - BILLYWESTOM ($100017.50 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Ante $1000
JBAW - Posts small blind $12000
FERALS99 - Posts big blind $24000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [4h Jc]
EASTSIDE13 - Folds
STEAMROLLER - Raises $48000 to $48000
LEPKE - Folds
BILLYWESTOM - Folds
FREEROLL55 - Folds
UR2BARREDOUT - Folds
K0762 - Calls $48000
JBAW - Calls $36000
FERALS99 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [Kh 10h Qh]
JBAW - Checks
STEAMROLLER - Bets $168000
K0762 - Folds
JBAW - Folds
STEAMROLLER - returned ($168000) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
STEAMROLLER - Does not show
STEAMROLLER Collects $177000 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($177000)
Board [Kh 10h Qh]
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: K0762 (dealer) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 4: JBAW (small blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 5: FERALS99 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER collected Total ($177000) HI$177000) [Does not show]
Seat 8: LEPKE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: BILLYWESTOM Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #863563811 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $24000 - 2007-08-20 01:21:24 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($247479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($84125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($145988 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($295783.96 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($27850.70 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($412399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($1145876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($301479 in chips)
Seat 9 - BILLYWESTOM ($99017.50 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Posts small blind $12000
EASTSIDE13 - Posts big blind $24000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [Jd 7h]
STEAMROLLER - Folds
LEPKE - Folds
BILLYWESTOM - Folds
FREEROLL55 - Raises $72000 to $72000
UR2BARREDOUT - Folds
K0762 - Folds
JBAW - Folds
FERALS99 - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - Folds
FREEROLL55 - returned ($48000) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FREEROLL55 - Does not show
FREEROLL55 Collects $69000 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($69000)
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 collected Total ($69000)
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: K0762 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JBAW (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: FERALS99 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: LEPKE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: BILLYWESTOM Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #863564459 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $24000 - 2007-08-20 01:22:03 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($291479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($83125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($144988 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($294783.96 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($14850.70 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($387399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($1144876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($300479 in chips)
Seat 9 - BILLYWESTOM ($98017.50 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Posts small blind $12000
STEAMROLLER - Posts big blind $24000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [9d 3c]
LEPKE - Folds
BILLYWESTOM - All-In(Raise) $97017.50 to $97017.50
FREEROLL55 - Folds
UR2BARREDOUT - Folds
K0762 - Folds
JBAW - Folds
FERALS99 - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - Folds
STEAMROLLER - Folds
BILLYWESTOM - returned ($73017.50) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BILLYWESTOM - Does not show
BILLYWESTOM Collects $69000 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($69000)
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: K0762 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JBAW Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: FERALS99 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: LEPKE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: BILLYWESTOM collected Total ($69000) All-In


Stage #863564951 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $24000 - 2007-08-20 01:22:36 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($290479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($82125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($143988 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($293783.96 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($13850.70 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($374399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($1119876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($299479 in chips)
Seat 9 - BILLYWESTOM ($142017.50 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Posts small blind $12000
LEPKE - Posts big blind $24000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [Ad 9c]
BILLYWESTOM - Folds
FREEROLL55 - Folds
UR2BARREDOUT - Folds
K0762 - Folds
JBAW - Raises $48000 to $48000
FERALS99 - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - Folds
STEAMROLLER - Calls $36000
LEPKE - Folds
*** FLOP *** [Jd 3s Ks]
STEAMROLLER - Checks
JBAW - Bets $55000
STEAMROLLER - Folds
JBAW - returned ($55000) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JBAW - Does not show
JBAW Collects $129000 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($129000)
Board [Jd 3s Ks]
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: K0762 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JBAW collected Total ($129000) HI$129000) [Does not show]
Seat 5: FERALS99 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER (small blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 8: LEPKE (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: BILLYWESTOM Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #863565862 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $24000 - 2007-08-20 01:23:33 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($289479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($81125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($142988 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($373783.96 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($12850.70 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($373399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($1070876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($274479 in chips)
Seat 9 - BILLYWESTOM ($141017.50 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Posts small blind $12000
BILLYWESTOM - Posts big blind $24000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [7c 2s]
FREEROLL55 - Folds
UR2BARREDOUT - Folds
K0762 - Folds
JBAW - Folds
FERALS99 - Folds
EASTSIDE13 - Folds
STEAMROLLER - Folds
LEPKE - All-In(Raise) $261479 to $273479
BILLYWESTOM - Folds
LEPKE - returned ($249479) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LEPKE - Does not show
LEPKE Collects $57000 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($57000)
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: K0762 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JBAW Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: FERALS99 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: LEPKE (small blind) collected Total ($57000) All-In
Seat 9: BILLYWESTOM (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #863566325 Tourney ID 1871149 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $24000 - 2007-08-20 01:24:03 (ET)
Table: 73 (Real Money) Seat #8 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FREEROLL55 ($288479.68 in chips)
Seat 2 - UR2BARREDOUT ($80125 in chips)
Seat 3 - K0762 ($141988 in chips)
Seat 4 - JBAW ($372783.96 in chips)
Seat 5 - FERALS99 ($11850.70 in chips)
Seat 6 - EASTSIDE13 ($372399.72 in chips)
Seat 7 - STEAMROLLER ($1069876.44 in chips)
Seat 8 - LEPKE ($306479 in chips)
Seat 9 - BILLYWESTOM ($116017.50 in chips)
FREEROLL55 - Ante $1000
UR2BARREDOUT - Ante $1000
K0762 - Ante $1000
JBAW - Ante $1000
FERALS99 - Ante $1000
EASTSIDE13 - Ante $1000
STEAMROLLER - Ante $1000
LEPKE - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Ante $1000
BILLYWESTOM - Posts small blind $12000
FREEROLL55 - Posts big blind $24000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UR2BARREDOUT [Ah 5h]
UR2BARREDOUT - All-In(Raise) $79125 to $79125
K0762 - Folds
JBAW - Folds
FERALS99 - All-In $10850.70
EASTSIDE13 - Folds
STEAMROLLER - Folds
LEPKE - Folds
BILLYWESTOM - Folds
FREEROLL55 - Calls $55125
*** FLOP *** [6d 10s 8s]
*** TURN *** [6d 10s 8s] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [6d 10s 8s Qs] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FREEROLL55 - Shows [7d 10d] (One pair, tens)
UR2BARREDOUT - Shows [Ah 5h] (ace high)
FERALS99 - Shows [Qc 6c] (Two Pair, queens and sixes)
FREEROLL55 Collects $137697.90 from side pot-1
FERALS99 Collects $52402.80 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($190100.70:$52402.80,$137697.90)
Board [6d 10s 8s Qs 3h]
Seat 1: FREEROLL55 (big blind) won Total ($137697.90) HI$137697.90) with One pair, tens [7d 10d - B:10s,P:10d,B:Qs,B:8s,P:7d]
Seat 2: UR2BARREDOUT HI:lost with ace high [Ah 5h - P:Ah,B:Qs,B:10s,B:8s,B:6d]
Seat 3: K0762 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JBAW Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: FERALS99 won Total ($52402.80) All-In HI$52402.80) with Two Pair, queens and sixes [Qc 6c - B:Qs,P:Qc,B:6d,P:6c,B:10s]
Seat 6: EASTSIDE13 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: STEAMROLLER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: LEPKE (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: BILLYWESTOM (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

[admiralfluff]

Their actions and accounts to date are only consistent with one thing - the people who control operations at AP are the cheaters. If there was actually someone in higher mangement who wasn't in on it, the blatant lies would have ceased by now. The cheaters didn't have to worry about getting caught by AP, or the KGC, or any other governing body (themselves). They could cheat blatantly and deny any allegations. Only when the file leaked did we gain any substantial evidence. I can't think of any resolution of this matter that would discourage them from further cheating. All they have to do is be a little more careful, and keep tighter control over what is sent out. The only alternative outcome is that KGC revokes their license (yea right). Otherwise, this will blow over in the media, and we are back to square one.