How to play when folded to on the sb against a good player?

[donkeykong2]

say you and the bb are both good players and you know that about each other.
What hands do you play from sb when folded to for ....:
a raise:
a raise/call:
a raise/fold:
a raise/reraise:
a limp/fold:
a limp/call:
a limp/reraise:

How do you think bb should react to our play?

[donkeykong2]

ok i ll try first and post a (crappy) range [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]:
a raise/call: aq, 99, tt, aj
a raise/fold: a6,a7,a8,a9, a10, kj,22,33,44,55, q10,qj
a raise/reraise: aa, qq, jj, ak, kq, suitedconnectors
a limp/fold: a2,a3,a4,a5
a limp/call:
a limp/reraise: 88,77,66, kk

[crossroader]

this is pretty subjective i think, hard to determine where u draw the line, for example u say with pocket 5's u would raise/fold but with 66 u would limp/reraise,also u have KQ there for raise/reraise, but AJ in raise/call, if u raise & bb reraises ur probably behind more often with KQ then AJ so why reraise with KQ & just call with AJ? all & all i dont think u can group certain hands in to categories like this, i think a lot depends on feel & how u have both been playing, table images, etc..if uve open limped from sb a few times with weak aces, suited connectors, etc & bb constantly raises, then yeah u may limp next time with aces or kings to trap him. against a good player u probably want to mix up ur play & not limit urself to raising/calling/folding/reraising with a set range of hands. some people will say never to open limp from sb & either raise or fold, but that all depends on the bb & how he plays.

[donkeykong2]

yeah but it should somehow converge to an equilibrium state (sort of) after a few hundred hands or not? assumption is that the big blind is a good player who will make correct adaptions to my play. i dont think it is the actual specific hands that matter that much, but to find the correct aggression level and the correct ratios for bluffing and good hands and also balanced ranges that hit on different flop textures.

[donkeykong2]

no ideas, whaddya think about my ranges?

[donkeykong2]

does limping here ever make sense?

[wdead]

I just fold alot.

[gman06]

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I just fold alot.

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Underrated advice. Good players love to call raises in the BB there w/ a large range and hate folding to c-bets in BvB battles.

[winningfish]

Never give a free card to a good player with position.

In this position I never limp; I tighten my PF range then either raise or fold, with the occasional bluff.

[gir]

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I just fold alot.

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How much?